Hey what's up. I wanted to make a thread talking about how Hollywood is f***ing up the accessibility of the film and television market. Looking at things like how Disney has manipulated and used things like Copywrite and licensing to abuse their power, and how nostalgia gets weaponized against the general population.

I made a video that talks about a lot of the ways that Disney as well as a lot of these other Hollywood studios limited what you get to see. It's long but I keep it entertaining and fun, while also explaining a lot of the bullshit that goes into rights and licensing. To my knowledge nobody else has talked about this on youtube, even in my research I didn't see anything on it. This video is about 1 year of research and about a months worth of filming and editing. Arguable this could be one of the most important video essays on youtube

Seems like you put a lot of effort into this OP imma check it out

You don't even know, I wanted to make this video for the better part of a year, honestly it's kinda why I started my youtube channel

Wish you the best of luck homie. Excited to peep

Liked,will peep when i can!

lmaooo they're making a spiderman 3 now f*** disney

added to my watch later list. def gonna watch

theyre making a few more movies than just spiderman 3

Did I stutter? F*** Disney, f*** their shady business practices. Damn near every awful overly corporate thing in hollywood can be traced back to them, f*** disney.

Disney is evil been known

It's been like a thing people know but few acknowledge. Which is what I talk about in the video. People would rather lie to themselves and pretend that their not trying to astrotuff culture with s*** like Avatar 2

But I kid you not, the s*** they do on the back end of Hollywood is far more insidious than people understand, thats why I made this video.

Like Rodger Rabbit is cool and all but like I'm not gonna let my love for an oil painted rabbit overshadow the fact they are a corporate and destructive piece of s*** company.

What are you talking about when you say "I can't make an Indiana Jones starring Lakeith Stanfield because Disney owns Indiana Jones"

You wouldn't have ever been able to do that.

Star Wars portion is filled with a lot of misinformation too (please try your best to disregard my avi)

Overall I do agree with most points tho.

I was using Indiana Jones as an example of how public domain allows people to take and translate stories and concepts over time. Now that public domain has stopped moving, it's killed the oral tradition of storytelling

What was wrong in the Star Wars section, I'm genuinely curious

interesting will check out later, people are reluctant to criticize the mouse

Mainly using Kathleen Kennedy as a figurehead for Disney overall. A lot of people don't like her and I understand that, but she's a longtime employee of Lucasfilm and was handpicked by George Lucas to take over the company. It's not as if Disney's brain and Kathleen's brain are one in the same.

Also, while obviously a lot of Star Wars now is driven by merchandise, that's nothing new and I would argue that it was worse when Lucas was at the helm. Criticizing it for putting character's faces on chairs or on packages of salad is valid, but far less valid when it comes to new creatures, redesigns, etc. The overwhelming majority of that stuff comes from the writer/director and other creative departments.

They destroyed Mulan Xi. It's a shame what they did to your culture.

Kenndy oversees Lucasfilm. So she was very much in charge of what was going on with the new Star Wars films just like, Feige and Favrao oversee the marvel films and those choices can be traced back to them, while I do see where you're coming from but if you are the lead producer and the one overseeing the final cut of the film, many of those choices do fall on you. While she doesn't have all the say she does have a lot of control and input.

It's very much valid to criticize what happened to the new Star Wars and blame her for it, regardless of if George Lucas picked her, she still is responsible for fumbling the bag.

Actually a lot of companies do have say in characters, outside the design team and world, more so than you understand. Looking at Sonic 2020, we can very much assume that the original design came from a group of corporate producers with an anti-anime agenda, nobody with a the slightest understand of the character of sonic would do draw them like that. Keep in mind that producers have a lot of say in a film in pre-production. I guess I didn't do a good job of exampling how deep producer melding goes. I could give a few more examples of large scale producer meddling in pre-production tho this isn't an isolated incident.

For example Star Killer was not in JJ's original screenplay. We could very much assume that a lot of other elements in the new film that don't mesh with the plot organically and feel shoe horned in, also even the concept of something like Captain Phasma doesn't even line up with JJ's original vision for the trilogy.

I can't find the exact leak about the starkiller but here's one where an insider talks about how JJ felt working on the film, and these are fairly reperatable sources who get vetted and fact checked:
reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that

Here's another link talking JJ wanted to make Kylo and the empire and new order a metaphor for nazi's, so again it doesn't make sense for a character to have such a standout design
abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/star-wars-force-awakens-order-inspired-nazis/story?id=33338629

Overall me criticizing the design was a small joke but it does come with some weight

With respect, and I don't mean to sound harsh but you can't tell me that I don't understand or know what I'm talking about and then throw out a bunch of assumptions. I never said every single character or design comes from the creative departments, I said a large majority do. Instead of making an assumption like Sonic, I'll stick with a Star Wars example, BB-8. BB-8 I know for a fact is something that Kathleen Kennedy wanted, it's mentioned in the making of TFA documentary, but that's one character and one design out of literal hundreds that appear in the movie. And maybe a bit of an unpopular opinion but given BB-8's role in the film I absolutely do think the producer should have a say in the design.

I've been following Star Wars forums for years and not once have I heard anything about Starkiller Base not being in JJ's original script. If anything, I find it way more likely that it wasn't in Michael Arndt's original script, but once JJ and Lawrence Kasdan took over writing duties it was added in. (But I'm not going to assume anything without a source, which I couldn't find either)

Captain Phasma is another design that came from Kennedy--sorta. Phasma's design was originally meant for Kylo Ren, but JJ immediately rejected it. Later on in the process, Kathleen found the design and liked it a lot, and it was eventually used for Phasma's design. Perhaps Kennedy liking it so much swayed JJ to create the character, or maybe it was a demand but we don't know enough about it. What we do know is that it was a design that came from the art department.

And f*** Saltier Than Crait, never use that as a source

Producers shouldn't have say in films like at all. IMO outside of small guidance. Maybe I shouldn't have placed so much of the blame on KK. I do think she gets more flack than she deserves by the fan base, but I but that being said I still do think a lot of the issues with the franchise fall on her.

Again even marvel with all it's over corporatized bullshit is still coherent.

I'm not a heavy SW fan and really only dipped in the realm for the past few months for this video, so forgive me if my points where a bit misguided.

I'm gonna give you a confirmed example of how producer meddling ruined a film, while not Star Wars again the practice and these aren't assumptions.

Ralph Bakshi's cool world became an incoherent mess because the producer didn't like the idea of a dark gritty neo-nior horror film so Frank Mancuso Jr. rewrote the film because he disliked the original premise and Paramount wanted to cash in on the success of Who Framed Roger Rabbit? so they essentially rewrote the original screenplay into a PG-13 rated knock-off of that film.

(film.avclub.com/my-year-of-flops-case-file-44-cool-world-1992-1798211682)

While I know it's not quite the same, it is a good example of how producer meddling for the sake of building profits can kill a film

Honestly I don't even know why we're arguing right now tbh, these is kinda all arbitrary points than don't detract from my original idea and core points.

Regardless it's important to note that producer meddling often times results in a worst end product, small changes can snowball into full rewrites etc. While yes Star Wars has always been hyper toyetic, there is something extremely predatory and filled with corporate cynicism about those character designs. Some even feeling out of universe, especially with the case of Baby Yoda, who again uses the science of cuteness, as well as the built in fanbase and nostalgia of using a recognizable character

We really took Blockbuster for granted. Crazy. I remember mfs were mocking them when they shut down

You're right about the arguing, and I'm glad this didn't get too out of hand because as I said, I do agree with most of your points. Producer meddling has ruined countless films and I don't want to act like it doesn't happen at all in these massive blockbuster franchise films because it ABSOLUTELY does. But I've found that a lot the time, especially when it comes to something like Star Wars which has an incredibly passionate fanbase, if something doesn't land with that fanbase, or a large portion of that fanbase, they need to place blame somewhere, they need to find a scapegoat. That often leads to baseless and senseless claims like what you see on subreddits like Saltier Than Crait.

I will say is STK is interesting from an observation stand point. Because what I've noticed about reddit they tend to be very pro-insert brand/franchise here and that STK comes as a result for the inability to criticize whatever brand or franchise, I understand that the SW fanbase has a lot of bad faith criticism, but I think it's alarming that they needed to create their own sub just to be critical.

Like I said in the video, Disney is a cult and adults into it genuinely scare me, it's crazy to think that Disneyland vloggers/influencers exist. A lot of Disney criticism gets push back online, hell people were calling me wrong for saying iron man 1 still felt too corporate to me.

Like I get there's an online counter jerk regarding Disney and Marvel but the way people mock and downvote criticism of disney, marvel and it cooperate practices is alarming

I just meant, you really did not know about this movie til today?