Maga Law

4y

If you can't handle 1 dude with a knife then you shouldn't be a cop imo

jg33

4y

prefacing this by saying I don't know much about the case

if she was attempting to stab (aka cause lethal physical harm to someone else) another person, not in self defense, how can you say that the cop acted incorrectly?

I'm open to hearing what you guys have to say but this seems like an extremely justifiable reason. In my opinion, once you cross the line into lethal harm against another individual, in that moment, you have forfeited your right to live (unless you are acting in self defense)

bigmancam

4y

i said therapists/social workers to mean that cops shouldn't just charge into every scenario guns blazing. they should take measured approaches to a situation, kinda like what ur saying. i dont see how sending in a cop with a gun makes any situation better. if its like an active shooter situation sure i guess but it should really be trained swat guys not uniformed cops doing that. if they dont even have the option to use a gun they'll be forced to attempt to deal with something in a calmer way.

i agree tho bro its a problem bottom to top with our society n there's no easy answer

jg33

4y

prefacing this by saying I don't know much about the case

if she was attempting to stab (aka cause lethal physical harm to someone else) another person, not in self defense, how can you say that the cop acted incorrectly?

I'm open to hearing what you guys have to say but this seems like an extremely justifiable reason. In my opinion, once you cross the line into lethal harm against another individual, in that moment, you have forfeited your right to live (unless you are acting in self defense)

KuntaKinte

4y

1. There is a different level of stress and adrenaline when shooting in an active violent situation as opposed to shooting at targets while hunting or at a range.

One is being bombarded by someone with a weapon out of nowhere rushing to stab an individually directly infront of you.

Unexpected and requiring some immediate action on your half

The other is you going to the range or a hunting ground prepared to shoot an animal that you expect to see most likely with a rifle or a shotgun as opposed to a glock which I'm positive has a higher fire rate than a hunting rifle.

2. I have no idea why you are hung up on the fact that a Cop shot 4 times. The fact he shot 4 times is exactly why Cop's don't use tasers.

They shoot a myriad of times to make sure that they can effectively hit a target

A taser has at max two shots.

While excessive force is a thing, I don't think the fact he shot 3 extra times falls within that margin of force.

3. You think you want all Cops to have guns.

If you are impugning this guy for not shooting a living person once at a range in a high stress situation then you clearly do not want cops to have guns.

If a Cop takes out a gun they are shooting to kill

If a gun is taken out, you are escalating the situation to one where you think lethal force is justified. I don't know what your goal is with 4 shots being excessive. Guns are a force amplifier. If he accidentally did a head shot and only shot once. Would you say its excessive?

Exactly, we don't want every Cop to have a gun.

SHAQUILLE

4y

You really think he should go to prison?

weneedabigman

4y

I hate people who argue like this. At least try to make it sound like you wanna have a conversation lol

Maga Law

4y

Ignorant post

Synopsis

4y

Take note of the people who will argue for hours on end on why "the cop was justified "

jg33

4y

bruh i literally just asked

can't please anyone on this site

Maga Law

4y

The very last resort should be to use your gun

Like it really shouldn't even be on your mind unless somebody else has a gun

Saint Aquinas

4y

Yes?

bigmancam

4y

i said therapists/social workers to mean that cops shouldn't just charge into every scenario guns blazing. they should take measured approaches to a situation, kinda like what ur saying. i dont see how sending in a cop with a gun makes any situation better. if its like an active shooter situation sure i guess but it should really be trained swat guys not uniformed cops doing that. if they dont even have the option to use a gun they'll be forced to attempt to deal with something in a calmer way.

i agree tho bro its a problem bottom to top with our society n there's no easy answer

Saint Aquinas

4y

Im not even arguing with you right now. Im asking you to give another efficient response. If you can't just say you can't and say there should be more research on how to respond to situations like this.

SHAQUILLE

4y

Just surprising because of your other takes itt

Saint Aquinas

4y

Me saying police brutality isnt a race issue it's a police/government issue =/= police shouldnt go to prison for stupidity and excessive use of force. There's plenty of people in this world who have a similar perception.

Saint Aquinas

4y

Ive shot at animals charging to take my life. Not just one, but multiple animals literally charging and when a rifle doesnt work you have to quickly move to a handgun to finish it off. Im not talking about 100 pound hogs either. I get your point but I'll without a doubt argue live animals charging at you ready to take your life away in self defense probably has the same adrenaline rush as a cop shooting someone.

I understand immediate action.

I'm hung up because 4 is excessive for a teenage girl. If this was Aaron Donald, I wouldn't even be in this thread posting.

He shot 3 times which should be excessive and he should face punishment. If he shot her one time, there's no doubt she would have immediately screamed and been put in shock. This isn't a big b**** nor some war vet. This is a random girl on the block.

A cop taking a gun out shouldn't mean shooting to kill. Cops need better training. I've seen FBI agents with better judgment. A green beret is trained not only to kill but be far more deadly than a cop. A green beret wouldnt have shot her 4 times.

Most importantly, the people watching the fight should all face charges because they are the real reason this girl died

weneedabigman

4y

Shooting somebody isn't a guaranteed outcome because you can miss shots. It's a stupid question

Saint Aquinas

4y

He was close enough to shoot once. If he cant do that, he shouldn't be employed. It isn't a stupid question

KuntaKinte

4y

Fam, he's def not facing punishment. What you're doing is understandable and I f/w you because of it but you are finger wagging over the number of times he shot because your issue was the fact that it resulted in her death.

Thus the issue you have is that she died. However suppose he shoots her and accidentally delivers a fatal first shot? Is that any better? No, because she died, hence you would consider it excessive use of force. However say he shoots her twice in the arm or 3 times in the abdomen but she manages to survive. You would consider it fine because the end result is that she survived? You can also have it where you shoot someone once in the leg and they die as a result. Etc etc. In fact Daunte Wright and Toledo were both murdered/killed in one shot

Also the other issue is that, you can't punish him as a Government agency, when its you who told this Individual to shoot to kill. Cops are not trained to shoot to wound.