Mar 21·1 replyRappers only talking about killing niggas, f***ing hoes and doing d**** but this s*** here is just unacceptable 😭
Mar 21Nah
He has enough glazers for that to not happen
Mar 21·2 repliesI really miss the era of OD/S80/GKMC Kenny when people didn't paint him to be this philosophical wordsmith.
That's literally how he was being painted during that S80 and GKMC era lmao
Y'all motherfuckers just be typing to type man
Mar 21·1 reply
PlatinumI think Mirror is saying that we all can and should help ourselves and by extension that will help the community through doing things like therapy (if you take it in the context of the album). i see Kendrick as leading by example there, and is an example of the middle ground.
I get your issue with him not saying he is accountable for the Saviour things as explicitly as you'd like, but imo I think its clear and implied throughout the album and so is not an issue for me
To a degree, yeah threapy and fixing yourself can be beneficial to the community by extension. But I don't think that was really the point he was tryna make with that
"Maybe it's time to break it off
Run away from the culture to follow my heart"And "When will you let me go?
I trust you'll find independence" seems more like an advocacy for individualism than collectivism to me
Mar 21Smacked VoodooI really miss the era of OD/S80/GKMC Kenny when people didn't paint him to be this philosophical wordsmith.
That's literally how he was being painted during that S80 and GKMC era lmao
Y'all motherfuckers just be typing to type man
He a European cac. They be thinking they’re smarter than they actually are.
Mar 21Oblivion X· editedI believe that's where my issues lies with it. Being self-aware =/= taking accountability. Self-awareness is a necessary step into taking accountability, but they're not the same, that would be him taking responsibility for his actions.
While I agree the album as a whole, he examines himself and takes responsibility for many different facets of his persona, but when it comes to the "Savior" role specifically, I think it's very much lacking.
I wouldn't have an issue with this specific point if Savior and Mirror weren't on the album and it was just Crown. On these two songs he goes into depth of asking the audience to examine themselves and why they would want him to be their "savior" and expect certain things of him. I feel like you can't take accountability implicitly considering this context of him explicitly calling for others to take accountability. He himself should also explicitly do the same and verbalize it. It comes off more as defensive than it does self-reflective in this manner.
I don't see no wrong with his intentions of wanting to take up the role and the desire to do better. This specific character arc has been one of the more interesting part about his discog. He's wrestle with this role since S80 where he reluctantly takes up the mantle to DAMN where you really start to see him reject it, to MMBS where he outright rejects it. But the thing is you don't have to choose between being a savior or saving yourself. There's no one man, MLK or Malcom X type figure, that is going to save the community, but that doesn't mean there can't be a middle ground at play here. The community can be saved through the community which is something i think he took away from the Pop Out show
I agree with your last paragraph 100%. Ultimately, there's no one person that'll do the work to raise everybody out the muck. No Moses to lead people to the promised land, but we can all try and do the best we can. He's doing what he can. While I do have my issues and conflicts with some of the messaging he puts out, I'm at the realization that he too has issues with it as well lol. And i get it, he chooses how much he want to make his message clear, some people aren't okay with how far he goes, even thinking he's half-assing it, but at the end of the day, it's up to his own discretion. Just like when niggas say Future or Drake are too old to be rapping about the s*** they be rapping about. Not a direct parallel, but it is what it is.
- Mar 21·1 reply
Valentinenah, i took Mr. Morale as him saying
“Goddamn niggas, i tried and it still wasn’t good enough so bet, here’s really what I’ve been up for the last 5 years tryna heal with my family as my homies around me are dying and the world itself is dying as we’re trapped inside trying to figure out what’s next. Sorry I couldn’t be the savior for ya’ll s***, I had a lot of s*** f***ing me up at home. here’s an album, sorry we not at the same place, I was fixing my world cause the world finally showed me it’s impossible to fix on DAMN like I dreamed I could on TPAB. if you here mentally, peace. see yall for the good times”
that’s what I took from it
Ngl I'd be looking at him sideways if he really meant this lol.
Mar 21i do not care
Mar 21·1 reply
KeeOP looking for a hit thread,
This man said Do I Do was a mid Stevie track
- Mar 21·2 replies
@op i got love for you but you’re a white dude and it shows lol
Mar 21·1 replyWarren Peace@op i got love for you but you’re a white dude and it shows lol
I think he's Welsh actually
- Mar 21Warren Peace
I called it
- Mar 21CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
Ngl I'd be looking at him sideways if he really meant this lol.
i mean that’s how he been moving
he consistently contradicts himself cause he’s not trying to be a savior, just express his opinions and keep it pushing and they often contradict each other. if you look at it sideways, bet
<- I just feel like this is how he’s been for a minute now, especially after these Carti features lmao - Mar 21·1 replyJohn Mauve
I think he's Welsh actually
Isn't that just white with extra syllables?
- Mar 21Oblivion X
To a degree, yeah threapy and fixing yourself can be beneficial to the community by extension. But I don't think that was really the point he was tryna make with that
"Maybe it's time to break it off
Run away from the culture to follow my heart"And "When will you let me go?
I trust you'll find independence" seems more like an advocacy for individualism than collectivism to meLots of different ways to interpret these types of things, and our own world views will play into it, but I don't think individualism and collectivism are completely mutually exclusive.
Good conversation though, and Kendrick definitely might not have meant it how I see it
- Mar 21CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
Isn't that just white with extra syllables?
Few understand
OPMar 21·2 repliesWarren Peace@op i got love for you but you’re a white dude and it shows lol
Welsh not white fam
Mar 21·edited·1 replyi agree with you in principle, but i don’t agree that much with your third point… you don’t really NEED an external source to understand his lyrics because they’re not actually that obfuscated. 95% of the time it’s right there in the words, and i don’t necessarily mean that as a compliment.
i’ve always felt like kendrick is not that great of lyricist, and that is definitely not discussed enough outside of braindead drake stans hating. like above average on an average day, great on an exceptional day, but GOAT? f*** no. i just don’t think his wordplay is all that impressive compared to what id consider goat status, and more importantly i just don’t feel like his material is transgressive enough. i do feel you on one point though and it’s perfect for an example: it’s just not that impressive to me to have this overwrought metaphor to say something that amounts to a medieval morality play. kendrick’s strength is as a storyteller, but he’s not even the GOAT in that either, if we’re talking just rap skillset.
i feel about kendrick the same way i would feel about say radiohead going #1 with one of their albums back in the day, in that i think it’s overall good for culture that this artist or group is achieving widespread success, even if they’re definitely not my favorite (kid a my favorite radiohead joint though). but ultimately, more and more kendrick comes across like a white liberal’s idea of what the GOAT rapper looks like. i mean that with no disrespect believe it or not
does he have some of the best hip hop albums ever under his belt? maybe. that’s definitely something i’d be willing to consider
- Mar 21Kee
OP looking for a hit thread,
This man said Do I Do was a mid Stevie track
oh nahhhh tf
Mar 21Smacked VoodooI really miss the era of OD/S80/GKMC Kenny when people didn't paint him to be this philosophical wordsmith.
That's literally how he was being painted during that S80 and GKMC era lmao
Y'all motherfuckers just be typing to type man
They really weren't on KTT before TPAB dropped. That was like 95% of the discussion surrounding him
- Mar 21Drogon
Welsh not white fam
“white not white fam”
Mar 21·1 replyEventually it will
There’s a reason why a lot of rappers move away from conscious topics in their music because of the responsibility and expectations it brings
Kendrick managed to keep the conscious/savior image by barely being in the public eye
Now that he’s positioned himself to be seen more often, his actions are going to be criticized more often (probably more than Drake)
And yeah Stans will say he denied the Savior title on Mr Morale but then he positioned himself as the “Savior” to beat the “Colonizer” Drake and remove him from the culture with this rap beef.
I don’t hate Kendrick but the way he’s being treated as this flawless great rapper not only by users in this thread and online in general is proving OP’s point.
- Mar 21Drogon
Welsh not white fam
Oh you one of those kinda cacs
HURRY UP sab 🧔🏻Mar 22·2 replies
inspoeaterNo one can tangibly name any way that he markets himself that way
Its yalls own perception because he is the only nigga in the top 10-15 or so mainstream rap names right now (the big 3, thug, future, baby, 21, ye, travis, carti, uzi, etc) aside from Cole (who is generally humble, aloof, out the way and passive) who still carries this s*** like this is the 2000’s and he’s a f***in mainstream top tier RAPPER nigga lmao. I would also say him simply winning the Drake beef of course too. That alone = “who do you think you are” subconsciously in some niggas minds lol
1:25 in this video is the exact energy Kendrick gives off when he says “i am not your savior”
Mar 22vingui agree with you in principle, but i don’t agree that much with your third point… you don’t really NEED an external source to understand his lyrics because they’re not actually that obfuscated. 95% of the time it’s right there in the words, and i don’t necessarily mean that as a compliment.
i’ve always felt like kendrick is not that great of lyricist, and that is definitely not discussed enough outside of braindead drake stans hating. like above average on an average day, great on an exceptional day, but GOAT? f*** no. i just don’t think his wordplay is all that impressive compared to what id consider goat status, and more importantly i just don’t feel like his material is transgressive enough. i do feel you on one point though and it’s perfect for an example: it’s just not that impressive to me to have this overwrought metaphor to say something that amounts to a medieval morality play. kendrick’s strength is as a storyteller, but he’s not even the GOAT in that either, if we’re talking just rap skillset.
i feel about kendrick the same way i would feel about say radiohead going #1 with one of their albums back in the day, in that i think it’s overall good for culture that this artist or group is achieving widespread success, even if they’re definitely not my favorite (kid a my favorite radiohead joint though). but ultimately, more and more kendrick comes across like a white liberal’s idea of what the GOAT rapper looks like. i mean that with no disrespect believe it or not
does he have some of the best hip hop albums ever under his belt? maybe. that’s definitely something i’d be willing to consider
There’s absolutely an argument to made about him being the goat storyteller
