Dec 21, 2021
ARCADE GOONHunter and gatherers worked less than farmers
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190520115646.htmFarmers under feudalism worked less than workers under capitalism
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html#:~:text=Consider%20a%20typical%20working%20day,customary%20afternoon%20nap%2C%20and%20dinner.maybe Pol Pot was onto something
- Dec 21, 2021·2 repliesARCADE GOON
You think you are smarter than Aristotle? Gallileo? Avicenna?
You think humans lived in caves 300 years ago and were all mouthbreathing imbeciles like you currently are? You think Ancient Egypt had capitalism? Do you even know what capitalism means? Do you think capitalism appeared because a person "thought up a complex economic ideology"? Do you suffer from mental retärdation? Do you have a learning disability, did you finish school? Do you need help? Do your parents know what a smoothbrain you are? Have you ever read a book in your life? No, picturebooks don't count.yes actually. I know more than them. you just listed someone who thought the sun revolved around the earth lol.
would I be as smart as them if were both from the same time period? maybe not. but me right now? yes, I'm smarter than them. the average 21st century person is.
and yes, capitalism is a complex economic structure. it took societal growth and industry in order to make it possible. whether or not "capitalism" existed in ancient egypt is besides the point. they had currency, they exchanged it for things, and there was inequality. there were rich and poor. close enough to capitalism for me.
Dec 21, 2021·1 replyARCADE GOONHunter and gatherers worked less than farmers
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190520115646.htmFarmers under feudalism worked less than workers under capitalism
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html#:~:text=Consider%20a%20typical%20working%20day,customary%20afternoon%20nap%2C%20and%20dinner.sure hunter gatherers may have worked “less” than farmers (and who wants to farm anyway as i said) but what is their quality of life? no working irrigation? worrying about the next meal? worrying about predators and rivals?
additionally, our ancestors having more leisure time, i would argue, is relative. they have more leisure time to do what? sleep and get ready for the next hunt? sit around a fire?
with the ease of survivability comes the trade off of labor. with the increase of luxuries comes the trade off of labor
in this world there are pros and cons to everything, trade offs must occur for benefits.
i’m not even saying the current system is the best form of itself, i’m just saying it’s not it’s all bad - if you look in the macro sense of what we have as a society.
in a micro sense, yes there are a lot of issues
OPDec 21, 2021ARCADE GOONHunter and gatherers worked less than farmers
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190520115646.htmFarmers under feudalism worked less than workers under capitalism
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html#:~:text=Consider%20a%20typical%20working%20day,customary%20afternoon%20nap%2C%20and%20dinner.Hot pancakes moment
Dec 21, 2021·1 replyJihyoyes actually. I know more than them. you just listed someone who thought the sun revolved around the earth lol.
would I be as smart as them if were both from the same time period? maybe not. but me right now? yes, I'm smarter than them. the average 21st century person is.
and yes, capitalism is a complex economic structure. it took societal growth and industry in order to make it possible. whether or not "capitalism" existed in ancient egypt is besides the point. they had currency, they exchanged it for things, and there was inequality. there were rich and poor. close enough to capitalism for me.
Close enough to capitalism because you have the most surface level understanding of it
PIMP 💿Dec 21, 2021I don't need to spew out a lot of words to say yeah absolutely
It does promote narcissism, because capitalism is consumerism
- Dec 21, 2021hot pancakes
sure hunter gatherers may have worked “less” than farmers (and who wants to farm anyway as i said) but what is their quality of life? no working irrigation? worrying about the next meal? worrying about predators and rivals?
additionally, our ancestors having more leisure time, i would argue, is relative. they have more leisure time to do what? sleep and get ready for the next hunt? sit around a fire?
with the ease of survivability comes the trade off of labor. with the increase of luxuries comes the trade off of labor
in this world there are pros and cons to everything, trade offs must occur for benefits.
i’m not even saying the current system is the best form of itself, i’m just saying it’s not it’s all bad - if you look in the macro sense of what we have as a society.
in a micro sense, yes there are a lot of issues
It is obvious that they don't have the same technology as we do. But the idea that workers under capitalism work less is flat-out wrong as of now.
- Dec 21, 2021Jihyo
believe me, I'm taking advantage well enough. it's not difficult to succeed in a capitalist society. like you said, plenty of idiots manage it just fine.
people cry about capitalism for no real reason. idk if they just want handouts or truly believe inequality goes out the window without capitalism or what. that isn't true tho
there will always be classes, always be classism, always be inequality
Wealth inequality in the USA right now is higher than during the American Revolution
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyJihyo
yes actually. I know more than them. you just listed someone who thought the sun revolved around the earth lol.
would I be as smart as them if were both from the same time period? maybe not. but me right now? yes, I'm smarter than them. the average 21st century person is.
and yes, capitalism is a complex economic structure. it took societal growth and industry in order to make it possible. whether or not "capitalism" existed in ancient egypt is besides the point. they had currency, they exchanged it for things, and there was inequality. there were rich and poor. close enough to capitalism for me.
Gallileo got killed precisely BECAUSE he didn't believe the sun revolved around the world you moron.
You having access to information doesn't make you smarter than them, especially when you consider that even while having said access you still seem to get simple facts wrong.
The idea that you think "capitalism = buying and selling" further proves that even with an astonishing amount of information at your fingertips, you are and probably forever will be a mere idiot
- Dec 21, 2021
there's a lot of cool other things you can find from studies comparing individualistic vs collectivistic cultures, like cognitively collectivist cultures prefer holistic approaches, how they treat outsiders, etc
- PIMP 💿Dec 21, 2021
My KTT brothers in the thread arguing over s*** they have no control of
Dec 21, 2021·1 replyARCADE GOONSo why did capitalism only appear in the late 17th century if it has been the NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS since the dawn of man as you claim, genius?
Before that was merchant capitalism and feudalism. Self interest was still a core part of human nature.
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replySynopsis
Close enough to capitalism because you have the most surface level understanding of it
well when ya'll talk about it ya'll just harp on about profits so I'd say everyone's understanding is basic
but you don't need to understand it to thrive in it
Dec 21, 2021Gettin tired of seeing capitalism and communism threads every other day in the life sxn
- Dec 21, 2021Jihyo
well when ya'll talk about it ya'll just harp on about profits so I'd say everyone's understanding is basic
but you don't need to understand it to thrive in it
because profit and how its gained is the source of exploitation
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyGKMC
Before that was merchant capitalism and feudalism. Self interest was still a core part of human nature.
Then why did serfs endure 1000+ years of feudalism?
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyARCADE GOON
Then why did serfs endure 1000+ years of feudalism?
Thats like asking why didn't slaves just leave Kanye.
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyGKMC
Thats like asking why didn't slaves just leave Kanye.
Precisely. JUST MAYBE it isn't merely self-interest that perpuates economic modes of production when the vast majority of people within said system don't seem to benefit as much as the rulers of said system.
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyARCADE GOON
Precisely. JUST MAYBE it isn't merely self-interest that perpuates economic modes of production when the vast majority of people within said system don't seem to benefit as much as the rulers of said system.
So slaves weren't enslaved because of peoples self interest?
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyGKMC
So slaves weren't enslaved because of peoples self interest?
Slaves were enslaved because the slavemaster class acted in their own class interest. The class interest of a slave is to be free. Their "self-interest" has never aligned with that of the master and the vast majority of their populace never had any self-interest in the perpuation of said system. But one class has more economic power than the other class, whereas one class has more manpower than the other class and can topple the other class if the situation detoriates enough and they can organize. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyARCADE GOON
Slaves were enslaved because the slavemaster class acted in their own class interest. The class interest of a slave is to be free. Their "self-interest" has never aligned with that of the master and the vast majority of their populace never had any self-interest in the perpuation of said system. But one class has more economic power than the other class, whereas one class has more manpower than the other class and can topple the other class if the situation detoriates enough and they can organize. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
So then you admit people have always acted in their own self interest almost as if its human nature
- Dec 21, 2021Jihyo
I'm just arguing that self interest is a core part of human nature so it will be there regardless of economic structure.
self interest isn't promoted by capitalism, self interest is what created it.
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyGKMC
So then you admit people have always acted in their own self interest almost as if its human nature
The point is that the interest of the producer class and the interest of the exploiter class do not align, whereas the retärd with the c***condom avy believes this is the case as he obscures whatever class relations exists. His logic would be that master and slave have the same exact interests
- Dec 21, 2021·1 replyARCADE GOON
The point is that the interest of the producer class and the interest of the exploiter class do not align, whereas the retärd with the c***condom avy believes this is the case as he obscures whatever class relations exists. His logic would be that master and slave have the same exact interests
Isn't that a given? Why would they have the same interest. You see a difference in interests throughout history.
- Dec 21, 2021
yes it does
an ideology where the individual atom is held as the key unit engenders individualism and reduces empathy
no harm in calling a kettle a kettle
the flip side is that too little of it can promote group biases which are also bad
but yes highly marketised societies which are ultimately a competition will amplify narcissistic tendencies. it isnt good. and this is a good thing to a***yse