I always talk.ablut this with friends. In today's world its both easier and harder than ever to blow yo and build a fan base. I song a lot and think I have a good ear for music.

There are some songs I've heard for the first time and automatically knew they would get big. And then there are songs I've heard that are so bad idk how they get the fans they do. Most grinding artists just aren't that good. 99% of the time when they ask me to listen to.their stuff its mid or not fully there yet.

I guess my a question is, if the music released is absolutely incredible is ot a matter of time before the internet and fans catch on?

For Example, if Man on the Moon 1 or House of Balloons was uploaded by a no name to Spotify today would it inevitably reach ears and eventually blow up?

I.think so. I think when.the music is that unique and fresh its a matter of getting people to click play.

What you think?

There are more good songs out there that you dont know of than one's that you do.

You severely downplaying the importance of the Kanye and Drake co-sign and push for those two artists.

i don’t think so. think about how much music is out there that you just don’t know about. it’s kinda hard to think about honestly, but my answer is no.

No you could make the best music and never blow. There's more to blowing up then just music.

Abel had songs from HOB out on the internet months before the Drake co-sign too.

Nobody cared.

What I learned after all these years is that every artist who got on top was pushed or mentored by somebody who was on top before

Drake -> Wayne
Kanye -> Jay-Z
The Weeknd -> Drake
Kid Cudi -> Kanye
Jay-Z -> Biggie (some of y‘all gone hate me for this lmao)
Biggie -> Pac
Kendrick -> Dre
J Cole -> Jay if I remember correctly
50 Cent -> Eminem
Eminem -> Dre
……..

i guess you could say that, but getting enough ears in the first place is the hard part, if not the entirety, of blowing up

a massive part of why cudi and weeknd worked was not only their musical talent, but their hunger to get their music out there. i’m sure the music will reach people and they could have had fans but without the work they did to get known and make connections, i can’t see it blowing up randoml

Yeah, Ice Spice is babysitting North because Drake as trynna hit.

I think those are important for any song to be successful and make it but context matters more. I think MOTM and HOB could blow up but not be regarded as classics like they are because both were influential in the genres at the time. You got too many Cudi clones and children that water his sound down now. I think Juice Wrld, Uzi, Trippie, Peep and all the others are proof that the sound might be popular today with zoomers like it was with millennials but the lonely depressed stoner emo bad vibes music was brought to mainstream rap by Cudi and so it might get lost in all the other choices we have in the streaming market today. I think it could go either way but good music alone doesn't guarantee your music blows up

If we talking about the projects, Drake didn't have much importance on Trilogy (even though I love The Zone), and Kanye's features on first 2 MOTMs were kinda ass

Depends on what you mean by “blow up”

A good song can always get a semi-decent hype it’s good enough

But getting beyond that takes a bit more than just quality

I agree.

But Drake is the reason we know Trilogy in the first place tho.

You remember the era where he was tweeting his lyrics non stop, the pictures, the link up, the ovo blog, ovoxo, headlines video shoot etc.

Without it Trilogy wouldnt of had the impact it had.

Musicality and talent wise its no contest Abel aint need Drake at all.

It was actually the other way around for Take Care lol

Facts I think we like to tell ourselves this artist or that artist would've made it without a co-sign but the truth is realistically not. Drake opened doors for Abel that he wouldn't have got to and that has nothing to do with his talent it's just the music business. Drake would still be in his mom's basement if it weren't for Wayne. So Far Gone could've fall on deaf ears and his career ends there. It's all about marketing and getting the right crowd to support you at the right time

No. If I was the best musician in the world and just put s*** on SoundCloud no promo it wouldn't get any traction. Maybe some people stumble on it and I get a couple hundred listens but there's so many factors outside of quality of music

Yeah on the marketing side it's true. And it feels like it's the other way round for Kanye too since Cudi's feats on his albums really stepped his game up

It's possible to be a struggling artist and the right person stumbles upon your music and sends it to the right people and your target audience shares it by word of mouth, but that's so unlikely

Nope 20000 songs drop a day, marketing and politics matter too much

You're ignoring the audience Drake and Kanye come with. There's a certain group your music is destined for and you have to find that early on to be successful. OVO fans clicked with those songs and that's important not the direct influence Drake did or didn't have on Trilogy. I can't explain it but when you work in advertising it's easier to understand and see how smart artists apply that to music

Yea its all a symbiotic relationship. Every party gives and gains something in these scenarios.

Thats why cats like Abel and Cudi were down for giving up songs, ideas, hooks, vibes, creative direction etc.

They were hungry and dudes like Drake and Kanye had everything that they needed.

Big Sean another one too with the work he did on Graduation. Sean's pen and influence is on some of Kanye's biggest songs.

definitely not

there's tons of great, creative music w/ <10k plays on soundcloud & youtube

wish it was different but it is what it is

When was cudi on top?

No good music doesn't blow up. Terrible songs make big songs, because they are terrible. Why do you think kids like trap music? Because it is terrible.
You think they gonna go watch the 101 string Philadelphia philharmonic symphony?

"Trap = bad, Classical music = good" headass