Ultima

1w

No no no don't get me wrong, I like it. Just think it makes no sense. But that's Dragon Ball for you.

Unlike most I like Daima. I have my gripes, but I enjoyed it.

lil ufo

1w

ssj4 is nice

Jbreezyondeck

1w

Twitter f***ing sucks bruh. Got spoiled not only on SSJ3 Vegeta but this too. Like what are f***ing doing the episode literally wasn’t even out in the west when I saw it

burymeinecko

1w

If only all this s*** wasn't happening when they are kids bruh

lil ufo

1w

I get that, I started to notice weird stuff in the last episode too, but I also don't find the need to over a***yze a show for kids

burymeinecko

1w

If only all this s*** wasn't happening when they are kids bruh

Ultima

1w

I'm not overanalyzing it lol I just thought it made no sense.

But the more I think about it, this actually makes more sense than GT. Neva unlocks Goku's potential but it's his primal instincts is hella better than grows to giant different colored ape sees earth and become SSJ4 Lol

Ultima

1w

I'm not overanalyzing it lol I just thought it made no sense.

But the more I think about it, this actually makes more sense than GT. Neva unlocks Goku's potential but it's his primal instincts is hella better than grows to giant different colored ape sees earth and become SSJ4 Lol

lil ufo

1w

also I forgot to mention that I feel disgusted by how they gave SSJ3 hair to Duu

lil ufo

1w

he becomes ssj4 by becoming aware as a great ape, by transmuting that energy consciously and maintaining it under control

not by 'seeing earth'

Stardust

6d

Imo neva is toriyama's self insert and this episode confirmed it. Creator of the first dragon balls, randomly gave ssj4 to goku making it canon, gave the tamagami the go to fight, is a nameccian like piccolo (his favorite characters), is pretty lazy like tori was. Idk maybe that wasnt the intention but i like to think it is

Live

1w

I think both make sense, it’s just GT took a better approach. Even though GT executed like s***, it didn’t feel rushed like Daima. I still prefer Daima more and that it’s canon so now ssj4 is legit but for the demon realm they dropped the ball.

But at least this means this can all be revisited. Pretty sure Goku just can’t turn into Ssj4 because he needs his tail and Neva just tapped into his potential with magic that did a temporary mutation.

Ssj4 can come back in super to combine with UI. I feel that is probably where this is headed. The eventual ssj5

Ultima

6d

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GT approach just made no sense because of all the contradictory information from Old Kai and then Bulma. Bulma explained that Goku was able to achieve it because the Earth naturally gives off Blutz waves, so when he turned into a great ape using Blutz Waves it made him Golden. Then originally it was said because of Goku's love for Pan caused him to regain consciousness and transform. Old Kai explained it saying Goku needs to get his tail back and go back to the Saiyans natural roots. Nobody knew what he meant by that and then it wasn't explained how it even happened until the final arc where Vegeta "cheated" to unlock SSJ4.

I always disliked GT's explanation because it went against what was established that the Super Saiyan form was the evolution of the great ape form and was already the Saiyan gaining that power in human form.

I think Daima's explanation was better because we know Namakians have the ability to pull out untapped potential. Neva being able to pull out Goku's primal potential is better than introducing Blutz Waves or some kind of unknown phenomenon. In GT, it cheapened it especially when Bulma was able to just build a machine to recreate Blutz Waves from the Earth. That also went against Goku and Vegeta's pride of becoming stronger on their own (Goku reiterates this in Battle of Gods where he says he doesn't like SSG because it's not his own power).

treeman

6d

Spitting

Ultima

6d

I just hope it doesn't sound like I'm hating. I love SSJ4, it's a dope design. It's origins is just as mishandled as SSJ3 that's all. I think Daima fixes this though.

Untapped primal potential vs Blutz waves. Give me the untapped primal explanation any day.

Ultima

6d

GT approach just made no sense because of all the contradictory information from Old Kai and then Bulma. Bulma explained that Goku was able to achieve it because the Earth naturally gives off Blutz waves, so when he turned into a great ape using Blutz Waves it made him Golden. Then originally it was said because of Goku's love for Pan caused him to regain consciousness and transform. Old Kai explained it saying Goku needs to get his tail back and go back to the Saiyans natural roots. Nobody knew what he meant by that and then it wasn't explained how it even happened until the final arc where Vegeta "cheated" to unlock SSJ4.

I always disliked GT's explanation because it went against what was established that the Super Saiyan form was the evolution of the great ape form and was already the Saiyan gaining that power in human form.

I think Daima's explanation was better because we know Namakians have the ability to pull out untapped potential. Neva being able to pull out Goku's primal potential is better than introducing Blutz Waves or some kind of unknown phenomenon. In GT, it cheapened it especially when Bulma was able to just build a machine to recreate Blutz Waves from the Earth. That also went against Goku and Vegeta's pride of becoming stronger on their own (Goku reiterates this in Battle of Gods where he says he doesn't like SSG because it's not his own power).