He literally makes similar types of music to the guys music virgins worship like frank ocean and kanye

He just makes more maximalist version of that style and leans into the mainstream more lol but really they’ll have you believe it’s a case of a pop construction being the biggest artist on earth when it’s more like the best artist being the biggest artist. He reminds me of what the smiths did in the late 80s for indie rock, but like musically drake is in the same ball park as all the “forward thinking” guys

On the sonic and structural level there’s like no difference between a song like toosie side or provider lol

Honestly he IS in that level of artistry just a fact but a lot of so called objectively music fans (fantano types) be getting caught up in perception and narrative

Drake have the ability to make something groundbreaking, it’s just he care more about numbers and hits n s***. Even throughout this mid era post views he’s shown flashes of pure greatness.

My biggest drake criticism is that we haven’t gotten a lot of front to back cohesively great projects in a while but u can say the same for kanye

Big difference tho is that even thru that he still always drops multiple songs that are just so f***ing good and like better than 99% of other hip hop/rnb/pop songs

aint nobody hate drake, they hate drake stans like you

Drake has zero classics and released the worst album of his career last year

you can say hitmaking is just as much of a talent as whatever frank/kanye has done and thats fine, but your OP is trying to imply that hes as "artsy" as those guys which is just not true

still he's definitely underrated by music head types and is obv an incredible artist

Drake does not make music like Kanye and Frank what u talm bout bro

Wildest thing is hearing someone who enjoys alternative and hip hop be snubby about drake

Like nigga have you heard feel no ways

Just an instance of narrative and aesthetic overruling fact

He definitely more forward thinking than he gets credit for

"zero classics" yeah sure thing

My only point

Obviously he’s not frank but he’s wayyy closer to a frank or an andre or a tyler or a ye or a pharell than he is to an ed sheeran lol, like that should just be clear to anyone who calls themself a fan of music

expand upon the smiths thing im intrigued

I’m tripping

Yea he a legend, I wouldn’t say he on the level of a Ye or Frank

But yea like I said before he def closer than he’s given credit for.

What bothers me about him is that he has the power to shift the game but doesn’t, it’s like he good just being on the cusp of something amazing artistically

Agreed

he’s a great artist but i wish his albums were more consistent, so much filler

drake no classics

The talent isn’t just hitmaking. He has a whole curated production palette nobody else can rap on. He’s a master of tone, Cadence, melody. He can write greats hooks and chorus’s (like God’s plan was a random throwaway he was gonna give to f***ing trippie redd ) he’s a great technical rapper etc

He needs to learn how to make good music again

"He just makes more maximalist version of that style "

Explain this lol

its the fact that he's capable of making amazing songs like Feel No Ways then fills his albums with mid that makes him so frustrating

he is obviously very talented beyond being able to make hits, im not disagreeing there

but he isnt making albums at the level of a blonde or MBDTF, at least from the perspective of the people youre talking about

😂😂

He saying buzzwords to make it look like he's knowledgeable lol

Like he leans into poppier elements in subject matter mostly for instance

If he started talking more abstractly about relationships or wealth or whatever then he’d be just like frank but he doesn’t even have to do that and one way isn’t invalid because the musical roots are still really sophisticated in both approaches