Andre Jaquet

2y

your even using the arguments old heads were using years ago
u understand carti doesnt even use that much autotune right? Any rappers raw vocals usually doesnt sound the best thats how production works when someone is using autotune they work around it to use it as a tool

i cant believe im having this same bullshit to fight with as in 2018
What makes a good rapper is no longer lyrics bro, an artist can be great with melodies, delivery, adlibs, the whole wheel of ways a voice can be used on a track to enhance it. Its about the music. People like YOU hurt progress and are about 10 years late.

heres a question

IF carti is so carried by beats, why is he 30x the size of pierre? Even in 2019?
Hes the main producer behind most of his first 2 albums and a quarter of wlr how come even though he saves the ebst beats for the godly TLOP series, Carti completely laps him? It's because carti has a unique vocal style with this range and evolution, that makes good MUSIC. YOU might personally not like it but that level talent is something hundreds have tried to replicate and it takes work, you wouldnt be able to do it.

so instead of discrediting the different forms rap has evolved and progressed, why dont you just sit back and try to understand when something is out your element instead of persisting on this narrative to s*** on whatever is new

notbrock

2y

I’m confused

Some of y’all saying his lyrics don’t matter because his voice is like an instrument then others saying he actually has great bars and flow? Which is it?

And yeah man I’m sure my critique of Carti is what’s killing the genre. As if the whole mainstream hasn’t been stagnant for the last few years and is now showing that in the numbers

It definitely isn’t artists that are very easy to copy due to their lack of actual skills leading to the internet being absolutely flooded with cheap knock offs of the same s*** we been hearing because it’s easy to do and looks like a quick way to the top

And it definitely isn’t because the artists actually doing unique boundary pushing music get instantly labeled as reddit music even tho Carti has a reddit bigger than all of them combined

Nightcrawlers

2y

It's not even debatable. Every single one of Travis albums smokes Carti's production wise

If Travis dropped any of those it'd be known as his worst album since he's known for production

notbrock

2y

I’m confused

Some of y’all saying his lyrics don’t matter because his voice is like an instrument then others saying he actually has great bars and flow? Which is it?

And yeah man I’m sure my critique of Carti is what’s killing the genre. As if the whole mainstream hasn’t been stagnant for the last few years and is now showing that in the numbers

It definitely isn’t artists that are very easy to copy due to their lack of actual skills leading to the internet being absolutely flooded with cheap knock offs of the same s*** we been hearing because it’s easy to do and looks like a quick way to the top

And it definitely isn’t because the artists actually doing unique boundary pushing music get instantly labeled as reddit music even tho Carti has a reddit bigger than all of them combined

AlfieNoah

2y

Nope false not true. Travis wishes he has songs like No Time or Vamp Anthem in his catalogue just stfu man

deleteduser579

2y

wait until they find out every all time artist in just about every genre that features vocals had p good lyrics

seems to be a pretty important aspect of songwriting besides vibes

notbrock

2y

The thing that annoys me with Carti is how much credit he gets for so little effort

The producers should get more credit. Like I understand he’s the one that chose to work with them but it’s not like he’s the first. People were working with Pierre and F1lthy before Carti

Then I feel like his actual contributions are so little. It’s not like he’s saying anything interesting or writing anything clever or funny (Carti Stan’s will try and argue against this but refuse to provide a single example)

And I honestly don’t even hate his music but his fans are like people that only listen to Eminem, S*** just completely puts me off of him

AlfieNoah

2y

Nope false not true. Travis wishes he has songs like No Time or Vamp Anthem in his catalogue just stfu man

Deezed

2y

keep it pushing lil bro

and next time u wanna act like my b**** so badly, ima tell her to take a break for the week and u gone replace her, pause

Nightcrawlers

2y

Birds has better production than those and it's widely looked at as his worst album.

Carti doesn't have a 90210 or Astrothunder or Oh My / Dis Side

Nightcrawlers

2y

It's not even debatable. Every single one of Travis albums smokes Carti's production wise

If Travis dropped any of those it'd be known as his worst album since he's known for production

Andre Jaquet

2y

wait until you find out music progresses and we can have new alltime greats

AlfieNoah

2y

Feel like dying out now

Andre Jaquet

2y

Travis is more focused on production, layers, melody, etc than carti it would be his worst because he couldnt do what carti does on his production
Carti also wouldnt do much with what travis be using though, so its a weird comparison
Esp since travis is barely trap honestly

Andre Jaquet

2y

Travis is more focused on production, layers, melody, etc than carti it would be his worst because he couldnt do what carti does on his production
Carti also wouldnt do much with what travis be using though, so its a weird comparison
Esp since travis is barely trap honestly

deleteduser579

2y

yeah y’all said this same thing in 2016 when Yachty, Uzi and a couple of other clones + trap started really popping off

and we’re still stuck with the big 3, all artists that have decent to legendary pens

probably a hint

Andre Jaquet

2y

yeah the point was sales doesnt equal dominance or whos running anything.
im not just saying it off popularity. I am also saying in musical influence, in impact, in terms of cultural influence, he is the leader of this genertaion
if your not popular with people under 25, your not running anything. The youth is where the artists come from, lol. The youth is the future and what runs s***. Same reason in 2015 we would say kendrick is running the game, future is running the game, drake is running the game. Hip-Hop is a youthful genre. The fact your calling them kids and acting as if it means nothing kinda shows your not really a reliable voice on this

deleteduser579

2y

why isn’t Travis trap again

i haven’t read anything that didn’t come off as cope as to why he isn’t considered trap, genuinely interested

Andre Jaquet

2y

we arent stuck with the big 3 lmao those guys that popped off in 2016 are greats.
Uzi in his prime had a historic run and an incredible album thats cemented in the history books.
the big 3 are titans just bevause they are succesfful that doesnt discount the others lol
Carti is an alltime great hes solidified there no matter what he does in 10 years he is in the historic books

Andre Jaquet

2y

we arent stuck with the big 3 lmao those guys that popped off in 2016 are greats.
Uzi in his prime had a historic run and an incredible album thats cemented in the history books.
the big 3 are titans just bevause they are succesfful that doesnt discount the others lol
Carti is an alltime great hes solidified there no matter what he does in 10 years he is in the historic books

Andre Jaquet

2y

If you look at UTOPIA, the only real trap beats on it really is MELTDOWN, FE!N, half of SKITZO, TIL FURTHER NOTICE, and TOPIA TWINS
The rest there may be songs with trap drums but they are also mixed with other subgenres and some really off kilter s*** where it borders even being considered in the genre
like hes borderline trap, but his albums are usually a huge mix of stuff that strays p far from trap tradition the only thing there making it so is the mention of d**** and trap drums. Not really comparable to carti who has like 0 songs without hi hats and p squarely lands in a trap subgenre he either helped create or existed already

deleteduser579

2y

ur not really addressing anything that i said man

you’re saying that a great rapper doesn’t need to have good lyrics

not only in just about every other genre (rock, pop, R&B) the artists that were considered legendary/great were strong songwriters, it is the same within hip-hop, most of the guys that appear on all time lists are dudes like Eminem, Wayne, JAY-Z, Tupac, etc. these are people that can really write

you can terraform and completely change what constitutes an all time great artist to sneak Carti in there if you’d like, but it doesn’t reflect the reality of the all time canon at all