Jan 11, 2024·1 reply
notbrockBlack people (or honestly poor people in general) in those environments are already treated like some sort of zoo animal for the entertainment of (mostly) white middle-upper class kids
Lil Mabu takes this a weird step further by straight up acknowledging he’s one of those kids that think that s*** is cool and fun
He’s beyond a more typical white rapper that tries to act like he’s from the hood or act black. He’s straight up saying he isn’t from that world at all but thinks all the d****, murder, violence and trauma is cool and funny
Take someone like Slim Jesus. Even tho he was lying (the more typical white rapper I was talking about) the music and lifestyle he was promoting wasn’t really any different than the actual guys really catching bodies and to the media it’s all the same. He just got called out because he was like the Vanilla Ice of that s***. If he would start a career right now instead of back then I bet he wouldn’t immediately get wrote off as a joke
Lil Mabu ain’t even pretending to be with the s*** like Slim Jesus was. He’s just saying “Hey kids exactly like me, Look how cool and funny this s*** is”. Which imo is even worse because it takes the seriousness away from the very real situation. People who pretend are just perpetuating it
The reason I said he needs his ass beat is because people in those situations have lost friends, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers to that violence. And here you are making it into a f***ing joke you can profit from. Fivio also an absolute clown for doing that s***
Sums up everything I've been thinking. Unfortunately, people think he's hilarious instead of being actually repulsive. The youtube comment section is notorious for that s*** but I hope it's bots. A part of me doubts it tho
- Jan 11, 2024Aquilla
Sums up everything I've been thinking. Unfortunately, people think he's hilarious instead of being actually repulsive. The youtube comment section is notorious for that s*** but I hope it's bots. A part of me doubts it tho
This is a real comment
“It's been along time since I've seen a music video this chill and creative. Everyone is always trying to be too serious. Music should be fun!“
Absolutely sickening
Jan 11, 2024You can’t stop it atp. Something’s gonna give sooner or later
Jan 11, 2024Wasn’t this thread made last week?
Jan 11, 2024notbrockBlack people (or honestly poor people in general) in those environments are already treated like some sort of zoo animal for the entertainment of (mostly) white middle-upper class kids
Lil Mabu takes this a weird step further by straight up acknowledging he’s one of those kids that think that s*** is cool and fun
He’s beyond a more typical white rapper that tries to act like he’s from the hood or act black. He’s straight up saying he isn’t from that world at all but thinks all the d****, murder, violence and trauma is cool and funny
Take someone like Slim Jesus. Even tho he was lying (the more typical white rapper I was talking about) the music and lifestyle he was promoting wasn’t really any different than the actual guys really catching bodies and to the media it’s all the same. He just got called out because he was like the Vanilla Ice of that s***. If he would start a career right now instead of back then I bet he wouldn’t immediately get wrote off as a joke
Lil Mabu ain’t even pretending to be with the s*** like Slim Jesus was. He’s just saying “Hey kids exactly like me, Look how cool and funny this s*** is”. Which imo is even worse because it takes the seriousness away from the very real situation. People who pretend are just perpetuating it
The reason I said he needs his ass beat is because people in those situations have lost friends, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers to that violence. And here you are making it into a f***ing joke you can profit from. Fivio also an absolute clown for doing that s***
Also Bronx and Harlem literally feel like hell on earth especially rn just how priced out and expensive everything is with 0 jobs surrounded by billionares Columbia university the whole world wealth etc etc
Jan 11, 2024https://twitter.com/serenitysymonee/status/1744289875119964197browseri wanna be mad at this but this is so f***ing hard and talented
- Jan 11, 2024·1 reply
DicherdownDAVE9You know what I don’t like about you ktt niggas, y’all pick and choose a lot of ya’ll hate on drill talking about how negative it is how it’s ruining the youth with d*** and gun rap but in the same breath talk about how much of a legend most trap rappers are like gucci mane and others praising even tho it’s the SAME S*** AS DRILL! There’s no difference trap and drill are both one in the same, both speak on the same s***.. and then y’all have a nerve to praise chief keef like son isn’t one of the main pioneer of this s***
so let’s stop the bullshitur being dumb u can appreciate the art and think about its effects at the same time
Jan 11, 2024
Protothe ski mask balaclava s*** is annoying
One of the worst trends in a long time
Jan 11, 2024·1 reply
BRAVEDo you think there is an obstacle for positive artists to do that in the sense that people might be drawn to more negative stuff by nature or conditioning? There is probably something to be said about the visceral qualities of a lot of “negative” work that helps it to translate to people
YES! I thought about this aspect and asked myself the exact question - it’s ultimately a songwriting and presentation issue.
Presentation:
Rap movements and styles that really catch on with the people and how they look/act/sound always have a strong sense of community and identity. The music videos have a distinct look, the fashion is distinct, the lingo is distinct, and the attitude is there. A lot of conscious guys aren’t grabbing audiences in this regard. There’s no world to get into.The lifestyle and environment also has to be represented in a proud manner in the visuals and lyrics which street music has in spades
Songwriting:
Violence is action based, action based material is the most immediate material that humans understand in any medium. People get action from the moment they’re bornThis means that action based lyrics translate most easily to chant worthy catchy lyrics from even a creative process standpoint. Given violence is simply a rotating topic given the environments that produce gangsta rap, violence will be a topic of this music
It’s worth noting that conscious rap music at its previous days of peak popularity had more action based lyrics
I remember @simulacrum post about this s***, and I’ve thought about it. But ima be real this is (respectfully) kinda bullshit.
ye said it so we kinda clowned him for but programming is a real thing.
Every popular “conscious” rapper you prolly are thinking of would not have had a fraction of the success they had if they had came out in a different era or a few years too late.
Doo Wop is a respectability politics song full and full. Feminists talk about it all the time. It doesnt matter though cause we all have been programmed through decades of it being a status quo so it’s one of the greatest hits ever.
The Light is a classic. Common’s entire flow and “swagger” woulda been seen as soft in this era tho.
Public Enemy got hits. Them, Arrested Development, Poor Righteous Teachers, and Dead Prez woulda been seen as too preachy in this era.
I don’t know if that success is the same if we’re in this era where everybody is apt to shoot down anything and anyone + the attention span to listen to a song is as short as possible. ( example: Some of our favorite r&b songs that everyone calls classics were 5+ minutes with bridges and guitar solos. What current R&b songs even have a bridge?)
I vividly remember Blackalicious’ “Make You Feel That Way” music video premiering on 106 and Park. That kind of singular spotlight does not exist anymore.
We talk about visuals and fashion and standing out but we keep saying why isnt Smino a superstar?
His music videos imo do a great job in what you’re talking about.
And yall cant say “subject matter” when the GOAT rapper who rapped about nothing and also had distinctive style and fashion (busta rhymes) was able to achieve mainstream success.
I think the difference is, conscious rappers of today are prone to a different set of standards that are then goalpost moved as soon as that set of standards is met (cause a ghais guevara is pretty aggressive. Hell this nigga on tiktok that be rapping about politics over rage beats is aggressive). It’s due to the programming and the zeitgeist that has made it uncool to try because (as vince staples once said), “niggas dont read anymore.”
And niggas wonder why Andre would rather play a flute.
- Jan 11, 2024·1 replyBRAVE
As horrible as this negative music is and it is a problem…we know the problems. There’s been countless threads, studies, anecdotes and discussions about them. As for the solution or A solution?
The rappers with something positive to say need to start making bangers with the same memeability/catchiness/quotability as these shoot ‘em up bang bang songs
You right af but Easier said than done
Positivity is subconsciously corny to young America in general let alone rap audiences lol
- Jan 11, 2024Veggie
Tbh the only solution I see is a massive cultural shift that starts with naming and shaming. Treating drill rappers like we treat smokers or fat people
Impossible as that’s a slippery slope into victim blaming
But that is also the only thing that would change it. The hip hop audience making the promotion of that type s*** lame
But that ain’t happening as long as it’s young poor people and young suburbans who want to cosplay as young poor people lol
- Jan 11, 2024
I just joined a gang cause I listened to Lil Mabu
- CKL TML 🌺Jan 11, 2024·2 replies
Wayne made me wanna drink lean in middle school
- Jan 11, 2024·1 replybrowser
You right af but Easier said than done
Positivity is subconsciously corny to young America in general let alone rap audiences lol
Yes but that is when you straight up say the positive message itself. If these gangsta/drill rappers were saying the negative message itself rather than packaging the message in a strong rap song package, then they’d be seen as corny too.
And by strong rap song package I mean showcasing a lifestyle in vivid imagery and striking lingo with catchy flows and hard bars and expressive voices that instantly command your attention. These traits are gonna make the music resonate strongly with demographics - negative or positive message be damned.
If anything it shows a case of limitation breeds creativity vs privilege breeds contentment. The talented rappers with negative messages have to go hard with their rap song packages cause in all honesty we don’t like negative messaging in itself. But if you package anything well, its standout qualities become alluring.
Whereas we like positive messages just on a human level, so these new non-street rappers rest on that, therefore they don’t need to have a captivating rap song package.
But this is all recent. Overall, we got here cause in 1994-95 it was clear that the time for what rap would look like for the next period was present, and there were two paths: conscious or gangsta…the top guy boldly chose his side the following year. Once he died, the standard for what a cool rapper “should” be like was set, which led to non street and/or conscious rappers being more sanitized in comparison to the days of early Cube and Pac. This created the current conditions
But in other words: it’s time for non-gangsta rappers to get their swag up. No reason we shouldn’t wanna dress/look/act like non gangsta rappers
- Jan 11, 2024CKL TML
Wayne made me wanna drink lean in middle school
Lmao Lucki too out of his own mouth
- Jan 11, 2024·editedBRAVE
Yes but that is when you straight up say the positive message itself. If these gangsta/drill rappers were saying the negative message itself rather than packaging the message in a strong rap song package, then they’d be seen as corny too.
And by strong rap song package I mean showcasing a lifestyle in vivid imagery and striking lingo with catchy flows and hard bars and expressive voices that instantly command your attention. These traits are gonna make the music resonate strongly with demographics - negative or positive message be damned.
If anything it shows a case of limitation breeds creativity vs privilege breeds contentment. The talented rappers with negative messages have to go hard with their rap song packages cause in all honesty we don’t like negative messaging in itself. But if you package anything well, its standout qualities become alluring.
Whereas we like positive messages just on a human level, so these new non-street rappers rest on that, therefore they don’t need to have a captivating rap song package.
But this is all recent. Overall, we got here cause in 1994-95 it was clear that the time for what rap would look like for the next period was present, and there were two paths: conscious or gangsta…the top guy boldly chose his side the following year. Once he died, the standard for what a cool rapper “should” be like was set, which led to non street and/or conscious rappers being more sanitized in comparison to the days of early Cube and Pac. This created the current conditions
But in other words: it’s time for non-gangsta rappers to get their swag up. No reason we shouldn’t wanna dress/look/act like non gangsta rappers
I get what you saying though. A lot of the appeal of street esque rappers is that they slick talkers with flashy aesthetics and some of them are pretty clever even if they just saying typical s***. It’s almost impossible to imagine someone who was as smooth or flashy as like Wizz Havin but had the content of Early Cube/Pac
Part of it is that niggas have years of actual street money and a subsequent face card. A conscious or super artsy dude (who ain’t selling d**** lol) can’t really just pull stacks of money, muscle cars, designer fits and a face card to bring the city out to a video shoot out of thin air. Thus it’s hard to create that world you talking about. But you absolutely right that that’s the root problem, I often think about how future could endlessly make albums about the same s*** but a nigga like Cole feels destined to have a day where they have nothing left to say or we just don’t need semi annual offerings of that type of music
- Jan 11, 2024·2 repliesCKL TML
Wayne made me wanna drink lean in middle school
Do you remember which works in particular gave you that feeling at the time?
- Jan 11, 2024
We always talk about what the b****es like and scaring the hoes…they are openly scared of popular male street rap atm
- Jan 11, 2024·1 replyBRAVE
Do you remember which works in particular gave you that feeling at the time?
Just seeing him with the cup and Me And My Drank was enough
But these moments come to mind. I remember watching both of these in real time. You type in “don’t worry about what’s…” in YouTube and it finishes it with “in my cup” lol
- Jan 11, 2024·1 replybarry dillon
ur being dumb u can appreciate the art and think about its effects at the same time
Everything has an effect on society/youth look at movies GTA/COD etc even the f***ing trap rapper in your avy aka mr “choppa won’t miss a nigga” so let’s not play dumb and blame drill rap like it’s the only thing misleading the youth
- Jan 11, 2024browser
Just seeing him with the cup and Me And My Drank was enough
But these moments come to mind. I remember watching both of these in real time. You type in “don’t worry about what’s…” in YouTube and it finishes it with “in my cup” lol
!https://youtu.be/X8Fymn93FDY!https://youtu.be/r90hXAPVWYAAttitude ✅
Style ✅
Quotables ✅These principles are everywhere. Bro did it in a couple minutes in interview clips and got you as a youngin. Highlight the alluring part of something in a persuasive way and you’ll influence is how I see it. And Wayne did that here, too simple
- Jan 11, 2024DicherdownDAVE9
Everything has an effect on society/youth look at movies GTA/COD etc even the f***ing trap rapper in your avy aka mr “choppa won’t miss a nigga” so let’s not play dumb and blame drill rap like it’s the only thing misleading the youth
ur arguing against something... that something is not what im saying bro.. i dont disagree w u on this.
im just saying u can like the song and still acknowledge that it might have a negative effect in other ways.
- Jan 11, 2024
It’s also worth noting he’s literally saying “I can do what I want, you’re gonna leave me alone” which is the ultimate male prepubescent/adolescent fantasy in any medium regardless of subject matter or tone
- Jan 11, 2024
babylon sherm2012 we were watching the lives of neglected crack babies that were sympathetic to but these HS kids who now are emulating come from homes of middle class working parents but ironically similar that the neglect might come from overworking parents without even the guidance of a grandmother they’ve chosen NBa youngboy or something else of that ilk as their foundation
alright you guys need to start getting lobotomized or something, 8 likes on this word salad
Calling drill rappers "crack babies" is insane
KTT not beating the white allegations with this one
Jan 11, 2024babylon sherm2012 we were watching the lives of neglected crack babies that were sympathetic to but these HS kids who now are emulating come from homes of middle class working parents but ironically similar that the neglect might come from overworking parents without even the guidance of a grandmother they’ve chosen NBa youngboy or something else of that ilk as their foundation
alright you guys need to start getting lobotomized or something, 8 likes on this word salad
