Oblivion X

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Bro at this point i think ur just arguing to argue

The literal definition of centralized disproves what ur trying to say. Search up sunni and shia, its literally two branches of the religion.

And ur point about abrahamic religion doesnt make sense, cause when have u ever heard someone say abrahamic religions are centralized, u never heard that.

And ur wrong sunni and Shia definitely all considered themselves muslims. Literally the shia were wanted to unite them all under one rule of ayatollah

Mel

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No it doesn't my guy lol. Their authorities govern two separate populations and the authority isn't shared, it exists for two separate groups.

For your last point, wow seems like they're trying to consolidate Islam into even more a centralized authority then aren't they? I mean the entire beginning of Islam was when the prophet wanted to bring the entire region under one religion back when you had various fractions of tribes practicing polytheistic things.

The discrimination and genocides between the two groups and how it's divided the regions they both live kind of show that despite being under 'Islam' they do see themselves differently. To disagree honest is to ignore long history conflict and tension, it's mad disingenuous and just not true.

Again for it to be decentralized both the Ayotallah and Sunni imams would be followed by the same people, Sunni and Shia are not the same. Ignore the general label and look at the reality of their history.

BnBallinToo

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Its actually funny that these people will talk about support for minorities, and women on the US, but when something like this happens they will scream "islamophobic".

Judging a country/government for their laws that they justify with religion isnt "Islamophobic" or "racist"...thats not how this works lol.

Oblivion X

5y

Bro come on now. How can the WHOLE religion of islam be centralized when there are TWO MAJOR factions. Sunni and shia are still under the umbrella of Islam it's not a separate religion just different sects. That's almost like saying political power in america is centralized, or saying christianity is centralized.

The definition of centralized is literally this

"concentrate (control of an activity or organization) under a single authority"

You can try and argue that shia islam specifically is centralized or sunni Islam is specially centralized, u would lose that argument, but you cant argue that Islam which is made up of BOTH sects is centralized. Because by definition it literally cant be

travis bickle

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Shia are not under the umbrella of Islam

Oblivion X

5y

Why do u guys think this ?

Is shia a different religion from islam ?

travis bickle

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I’m Muslim Akhi

They are kufr and deviant in their belief

Oblivion X

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Would this not be parallel to forms of christianity not considering Catholicism as christianity even tho is.

U might not consider shia Islam, islam but it definitely is a branch of islam that is followed by muslims

Oblivion X

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Would this not be parallel to forms of christianity not considering Catholicism as christianity even tho is.

U might not consider shia Islam, islam but it definitely is a branch of islam that is followed by muslims

travis bickle

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Don’t strawman my argument

They are a branch of Islam just as the Ahmediyya are. Just as the Quranists are

They have deviated from the foundations of the Deen

travis bickle

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I suggest you ask why or do some research on the Shia doctrines of faith before you defend them

Oblivion X

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When did I defend them ? Please quote me where

travis bickle

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They are not Muslim

Oblivion X

5y

How can they not be muslims when u just said they're a branch of islam ?

travis bickle

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Do you consider it permissible to curse and conspire on the Sahaba (RA) who have been guaranteed Jannah?

Or consider Ali (A) divine?

Or believe that it’s permissible to say the 12 Imam’s(including the absentee) are infallible?

They are polytheistic and disbelievers, according to their own books.

Oblivion X

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Bro I dont agree with their view point, but their sect and branch of islam is based on the quran, how can one that submitted themselves to God and the teachings of the quran, not be a "muslim"

travis bickle

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They are not based on the Quran. Nor do they submit themselves to God or follow the Quran.

If you disagree support your claim.

Oblivion X

5y

How do u want me to support that lol

Do they not say the same call to prayer as us, where they confess there is no god but Allah.

And yea they are based on the Quran how r they not, where do u think the whole split between the sunni and shia originated from.

ASAKI

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don't bother, there's always going to be people in the umma that are complete brick walls when it comes to any sort of meta-discussion.

Oblivion X

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How do u want me to support that lol

Do they not say the same call to prayer as us, where they confess there is no god but Allah.

And yea they are based on the Quran how r they not, where do u think the whole split between the sunni and shia originated from.