Apr 10, 2021Imagine skipping tracks
Apr 10, 2021·2 replies
fiveprestosyeah you're describing perfectly the loop in my head of trying to figure it out myself, lmao
from the day kanye did snl for tlop I knew he was done. seeing his transition from yeezus to tlop wasn't some calculated shift of the culture it was someone who equally wanted his pop relevancy back and didn't want to try anymore from an artistic level. kanye never relied on his status as a crutch it was just a contrastive element to an alienated psyche/persona...when people talk about rappers being rockstars and s*** they completely disregard that element, and how kanye tapped into that so effectively. i wouldn't be upset about it if he bowed out with grace but knowing that every antic/beef/half baked album is all a product of his insecurity that stems from not being able to be as big as drake post-2013 musically leaves me so uninspired to reminisce on the high points of his career. im sure the business side of him doing music plays as big of a part if not bigger, but not having that state-of-the-culture voice that he provided for so many years has completely shattered the cross-cultural/collaborative synergy that made pop/mainstream hip hop so fun from '10-16ish. I hope kdot Tyler or frank approach their next era's with an effort to bridge these gaps effectively again.
you worded it perfectly bro
it’s upsetting bc he never had to be bigger than drake, he should have never wanted that. but it became obvious over time that he craved it more than his artistic talents. it felt like he found himself most creatively in fashion, which i respect. i truly feel like ppl don’t give him enough credit for that. post 2013 every single straight man dresses like kanye that’s just facts
but like u said instead of bowing out he just forgo all the artistry in music for the sake of appealing to the landscape at the time. he still had every ability to influence people. i honestly feel like if he retired musically after yeezus it would have been one of the greatest exits.
it’s funny that we talk sm s*** ab the state of music rn on a kanye forum bc honestly, it’s bc of kanye. i have no doubt in my mind mbdtf will have the same musical influence and impact as dark side of the moon. to go from that to ye in the same decade just f***s with me man...
i genuinely feel like rap don’t got that “feeling” bc kanye sucks now. he really pushed the medium forward and without his creativity we’re just lost man.
the underground still poppin and harder than ever, but ye really had that ability to effortlessly crossover.
i hate chatty patty threads but i also def feel jay not going to his wedding hurt him. i mean your og, the nigga you helped produce some of his best s*** for, a nigga you genuinely saw as ur older brother do you like dirt. he def became isolated after that, i’m sure it f***ed with him mentally. i feel so bad. i’m def projecting but idk mane, i just know how that feels when you surrounded by white motherfuckers and your own brother is the one who do you dirt. but at the same time it’s like you got niggas who love you bro :clap dead:
idk man it’s cliche af but i really miss the old kanye
man. he spoke to me as a young nigga in ways no one else could. he talked to those niggas in the middle, u feel me. niggas tryna get out the mud, who wanna do anything and everything but don’t wanna leave their people behind. heart so f***ing big that it hurts to carry type s***. idk man ik niggas gonna clown me i’m def a crazy stan but i really used to see this nigga as a hero.guess it’s true what they say man
Apr 11, 2021Send it up flow is top tier
- Apr 11, 2021·edited·1 replyamory
you worded it perfectly bro
it’s upsetting bc he never had to be bigger than drake, he should have never wanted that. but it became obvious over time that he craved it more than his artistic talents. it felt like he found himself most creatively in fashion, which i respect. i truly feel like ppl don’t give him enough credit for that. post 2013 every single straight man dresses like kanye that’s just facts
but like u said instead of bowing out he just forgo all the artistry in music for the sake of appealing to the landscape at the time. he still had every ability to influence people. i honestly feel like if he retired musically after yeezus it would have been one of the greatest exits.
it’s funny that we talk sm s*** ab the state of music rn on a kanye forum bc honestly, it’s bc of kanye. i have no doubt in my mind mbdtf will have the same musical influence and impact as dark side of the moon. to go from that to ye in the same decade just f***s with me man...
i genuinely feel like rap don’t got that “feeling” bc kanye sucks now. he really pushed the medium forward and without his creativity we’re just lost man.
the underground still poppin and harder than ever, but ye really had that ability to effortlessly crossover.
i hate chatty patty threads but i also def feel jay not going to his wedding hurt him. i mean your og, the nigga you helped produce some of his best s*** for, a nigga you genuinely saw as ur older brother do you like dirt. he def became isolated after that, i’m sure it f***ed with him mentally. i feel so bad. i’m def projecting but idk mane, i just know how that feels when you surrounded by white motherfuckers and your own brother is the one who do you dirt. but at the same time it’s like you got niggas who love you bro :clap dead:
idk man it’s cliche af but i really miss the old kanye
man. he spoke to me as a young nigga in ways no one else could. he talked to those niggas in the middle, u feel me. niggas tryna get out the mud, who wanna do anything and everything but don’t wanna leave their people behind. heart so f***ing big that it hurts to carry type s***. idk man ik niggas gonna clown me i’m def a crazy stan but i really used to see this nigga as a hero.guess it’s true what they say man
you chatty patty I cant talk to you on here anymore you give me too much mental stimulation and food for thought and it makes an hour of unintentional and rough think piece writing fly right by me
I think what makes the era of mbdtf so interesting as this relic or revered product of culture is that it shouldn't have the same influence that dark side of the moon has.
from a technical POV:
it exists at an intersection in hip hop and pop culture that couldn't have happened or been replicated any earlier or later than it did - merging so many different artists emblematic of different subgenres and periods of culture - in a way that felt like a part of a grander vision instead of filling a quota
one can claim that retro nostalgia for the 90s as we've experienced it for the past 10 years would not be as urgent without Kanye cherrypicking wu-tang cameos and mobb deep textures palatable for a mainstream rap album. artists from that era have reached their 50's amidst a culture that is not looking to them to resurrect any element of realness from the dead because it no longer exists as an alternative avenue for music culture. with new political implications as we are aware of them, the synergy of 90s culture could not exist as a means of urgency, but rather just vapid quota filling.
furthermore, if asap rocky puts dean blunt Moby and playboi carti on the same album it doesn't have that same effect because rocky's vision can't be as fluid without the participance in different subgenres or without the handicap of mainstream success, it plays like a graded exam that is filling quotas to hack the kanye code, and it cost rocky his reputation as an artist with the potential to reach similar creative highs, etc.
From a cultural POV:
empathy for the popstar, or atleast as it existed for Kanye from '05-'10, is dead. The white corporate American entertainment platform where Kanye carved a new lane for black subversion is no longer regarded as an arbiter of moral truth or success by anyone.
even WITH kanye supporting trump, I don't think our collective disavowal for mainstream media/entertainment as it was once manufactured would be as bipartisan as it has become without that Taylor Swift moment; kanye made the idea of the culturally alternative route not only palatable for a mainstream left audience, but set the blueprint for Donald trump and the republican agenda to capitalize on neoliberal shortcomings and co-opt the idea of counter-culture in the process.
everyone is, more or less, in a desperate pursuit for interpersonal realness in the materialistic realm of culture, and we are past a point where viscerality in entertainment can have any meaning beyond viscerality's sake. part of that is due to kanye, who used mainstream platforms to react to the ridicule he endured from media corporations with agendas rooted in racism sympathy. Michael didn't have the bedding of hip hop abrasion to afford doing that, prince couldn't couldn't galvanize a collective rebellion in the twilight of his mainstream career, and kendrick can't do that, because the criticism he gets by the Geraldo Riveras of the world have become collectively understood as shortsighted, irrelevant propaganda amongst the political echo chamber of mainstream entertainment. Megan/Cardi/Lil Nas X are able to rasberry the ben Shapiro's and Candace Owens' of the world without consequence because mainstream entertainment outlets have lost to Kanye.
There was a time when Janet Jackson was blackballed, da brat was considered too ratchet, dmx was considered too coked up to be consumed by a mainstream white audience, and any artist who sought to challenge the inner workings of the entertainment industry were asking for career suicide. in less than a decade, the biggest of stars are now incentivized to criticize the industry, and benefit from displaying its injustices as a way of strengthening the relationship between themselves and their audiences.
to think that this paradigm shift - spearheaded by Kanye and Virgil to view entertainment subversion as performance art by all means - hasn't broken those barriers for black artists to be accepted by white audiences would be neglecting that most artists today are thriving off of a pr approach that was once considered reprehensible no more than 10 years ago. However neoliberal and patronizing the structure will always be, I hope that sentiment is what we will look back on as the most revolutionary element of prime Kanye West, even more so than his fluidity as an artist and public figure.
- Apr 11, 2021·2 repliesfiveprestos
you chatty patty I cant talk to you on here anymore you give me too much mental stimulation and food for thought and it makes an hour of unintentional and rough think piece writing fly right by me
I think what makes the era of mbdtf so interesting as this relic or revered product of culture is that it shouldn't have the same influence that dark side of the moon has.
from a technical POV:
it exists at an intersection in hip hop and pop culture that couldn't have happened or been replicated any earlier or later than it did - merging so many different artists emblematic of different subgenres and periods of culture - in a way that felt like a part of a grander vision instead of filling a quota
one can claim that retro nostalgia for the 90s as we've experienced it for the past 10 years would not be as urgent without Kanye cherrypicking wu-tang cameos and mobb deep textures palatable for a mainstream rap album. artists from that era have reached their 50's amidst a culture that is not looking to them to resurrect any element of realness from the dead because it no longer exists as an alternative avenue for music culture. with new political implications as we are aware of them, the synergy of 90s culture could not exist as a means of urgency, but rather just vapid quota filling.
furthermore, if asap rocky puts dean blunt Moby and playboi carti on the same album it doesn't have that same effect because rocky's vision can't be as fluid without the participance in different subgenres or without the handicap of mainstream success, it plays like a graded exam that is filling quotas to hack the kanye code, and it cost rocky his reputation as an artist with the potential to reach similar creative highs, etc.
From a cultural POV:
empathy for the popstar, or atleast as it existed for Kanye from '05-'10, is dead. The white corporate American entertainment platform where Kanye carved a new lane for black subversion is no longer regarded as an arbiter of moral truth or success by anyone.
even WITH kanye supporting trump, I don't think our collective disavowal for mainstream media/entertainment as it was once manufactured would be as bipartisan as it has become without that Taylor Swift moment; kanye made the idea of the culturally alternative route not only palatable for a mainstream left audience, but set the blueprint for Donald trump and the republican agenda to capitalize on neoliberal shortcomings and co-opt the idea of counter-culture in the process.
everyone is, more or less, in a desperate pursuit for interpersonal realness in the materialistic realm of culture, and we are past a point where viscerality in entertainment can have any meaning beyond viscerality's sake. part of that is due to kanye, who used mainstream platforms to react to the ridicule he endured from media corporations with agendas rooted in racism sympathy. Michael didn't have the bedding of hip hop abrasion to afford doing that, prince couldn't couldn't galvanize a collective rebellion in the twilight of his mainstream career, and kendrick can't do that, because the criticism he gets by the Geraldo Riveras of the world have become collectively understood as shortsighted, irrelevant propaganda amongst the political echo chamber of mainstream entertainment. Megan/Cardi/Lil Nas X are able to rasberry the ben Shapiro's and Candace Owens' of the world without consequence because mainstream entertainment outlets have lost to Kanye.
There was a time when Janet Jackson was blackballed, da brat was considered too ratchet, dmx was considered too coked up to be consumed by a mainstream white audience, and any artist who sought to challenge the inner workings of the entertainment industry were asking for career suicide. in less than a decade, the biggest of stars are now incentivized to criticize the industry, and benefit from displaying its injustices as a way of strengthening the relationship between themselves and their audiences.
to think that this paradigm shift - spearheaded by Kanye and Virgil to view entertainment subversion as performance art by all means - hasn't broken those barriers for black artists to be accepted by white audiences would be neglecting that most artists today are thriving off of a pr approach that was once considered reprehensible no more than 10 years ago. However neoliberal and patronizing the structure will always be, I hope that sentiment is what we will look back on as the most revolutionary element of prime Kanye West, even more so than his fluidity as an artist and public figure.
haha i got u my nigga i’m sorry i baited on instagram honestly i’m not good with the social media s*** i be dumping on my story and i just dip
vicodins#4934
hmu on there i got u i’m sorry i’m so trash with keeping contact with ppl. i’m taking a break from ktt so we def gotta converse more via instagram or discord
- Apr 11, 2021amory
haha i got u my nigga i’m sorry i baited on instagram honestly i’m not good with the social media s*** i be dumping on my story and i just dip
vicodins#4934
hmu on there i got u i’m sorry i’m so trash with keeping contact with ppl. i’m taking a break from ktt so we def gotta converse more via instagram or discord
lmao I was playing bro I'm into the discourse heavy - im not great at maintaining contact so I dont take it personally
- Apr 11, 2021amory
haha i got u my nigga i’m sorry i baited on instagram honestly i’m not good with the social media s*** i be dumping on my story and i just dip
vicodins#4934
hmu on there i got u i’m sorry i’m so trash with keeping contact with ppl. i’m taking a break from ktt so we def gotta converse more via instagram or discord
ill hit you on discord in the next few days
- Apr 11, 2021
Also like to say on sight is so much better when you know the EDM scene a little and realize that that is like better than anything done in that genre. From the cadence to the melody etc, Ye collab album with Daft punk of just beats would’ve been
- Apr 11, 2021
WESLEY THE GREATGlad to see this masterpiece get the respect it deserves.
- Apr 12, 2021
I’m gonna take this further and say every bar on Yeezus is a 10/10
Apr 12, 2021God level music and thread
Apr 12, 2021·2 repliesRanking the Yeezus songs:
On Sight ☆☆☆☆☆
Black Skinhead ☆☆☆☆☆
I Am a God ☆☆☆☆
New Slaves ☆☆☆☆☆
Hold My Liquor ☆☆☆☆☆
I'm In It ☆☆☆
Blood On The Leaves ☆☆☆☆
Guilt Trip ☆☆☆☆☆
Send It Up ☆☆☆☆
Bound 2 ☆☆☆☆
Apr 12, 2021amoryyou worded it perfectly bro
it’s upsetting bc he never had to be bigger than drake, he should have never wanted that. but it became obvious over time that he craved it more than his artistic talents. it felt like he found himself most creatively in fashion, which i respect. i truly feel like ppl don’t give him enough credit for that. post 2013 every single straight man dresses like kanye that’s just facts
but like u said instead of bowing out he just forgo all the artistry in music for the sake of appealing to the landscape at the time. he still had every ability to influence people. i honestly feel like if he retired musically after yeezus it would have been one of the greatest exits.
it’s funny that we talk sm s*** ab the state of music rn on a kanye forum bc honestly, it’s bc of kanye. i have no doubt in my mind mbdtf will have the same musical influence and impact as dark side of the moon. to go from that to ye in the same decade just f***s with me man...
i genuinely feel like rap don’t got that “feeling” bc kanye sucks now. he really pushed the medium forward and without his creativity we’re just lost man.
the underground still poppin and harder than ever, but ye really had that ability to effortlessly crossover.
i hate chatty patty threads but i also def feel jay not going to his wedding hurt him. i mean your og, the nigga you helped produce some of his best s*** for, a nigga you genuinely saw as ur older brother do you like dirt. he def became isolated after that, i’m sure it f***ed with him mentally. i feel so bad. i’m def projecting but idk mane, i just know how that feels when you surrounded by white motherfuckers and your own brother is the one who do you dirt. but at the same time it’s like you got niggas who love you bro :clap dead:
idk man it’s cliche af but i really miss the old kanye
man. he spoke to me as a young nigga in ways no one else could. he talked to those niggas in the middle, u feel me. niggas tryna get out the mud, who wanna do anything and everything but don’t wanna leave their people behind. heart so f***ing big that it hurts to carry type s***. idk man ik niggas gonna clown me i’m def a crazy stan but i really used to see this nigga as a hero.guess it’s true what they say man
Nothing you said is wrong here at all, but at the same time, Kanye himself admitted he peaked with yeezus as soon as it dropped (“I hit my Truman Show wall”)and made it known he was shifting his efforts to fashion. I feel that he viewed Drake’s dominance as his cue to switch mediums the way he claims he always wanted to
Regarding the conversation you and the other user just had, Kanye did what he did for music. He entirely shifted the paradigm and completely broke the rules, at the perfect timing where rap and digital world began to intersect, and industry corporatism is watering down the momentum of the rebellion he embodied in the genre and making it mainstream palatable. His position as a voice of the people has become more polarizing than ever, as the mainstream media has more control over his narrative and intentions since he isn’t using his music as the outlet as much.. however when you look deeply into his motives, ideas, and aspirations, it is clear he is accomplishing things behind the scenes that will impact humanity in a way that goes beyond his music. His divorce with Kim is unfortunate but a product of the fact that he is still fully dedicated to his mission and refuses to compromise. When I look at all of the alternative projects Kanye is working on, I see a man in favor of pushing the boundaries of society, rather than music
Apr 12, 2021Imagine skipping Send It Up.
Came on in the club when I was in Krakow in 2015 and I lost my mind.
- Apr 12, 2021sosAMG
I remember when it first dropped being in the car with my friends bumping it one of them it was their 3rd or 4th time smoking bud and they had a panic attack during the whole screaming bit lmao
I did the same and I remember the screams tripping me out hard 
Apr 12, 2021free worldniggas actually skipping send it up lol
but yall niggas skip feedback and freestyle 4 too
since when?- Apr 12, 2021
I didn’t read everyone’s post so I’m gonna act like I’m the first to say ever in the history of Yeezus:
I’m in it is my favorite track
Justin 😼OPApr 12, 2021·1 replyflizzy 999Ranking the Yeezus songs:
On Sight ☆☆☆☆☆
Black Skinhead ☆☆☆☆☆
I Am a God ☆☆☆☆
New Slaves ☆☆☆☆☆
Hold My Liquor ☆☆☆☆☆
I'm In It ☆☆☆
Blood On The Leaves ☆☆☆☆
Guilt Trip ☆☆☆☆☆
Send It Up ☆☆☆☆
Bound 2 ☆☆☆☆Don’t do I’m in it like that
- Apr 12, 2021·1 replyflizzy 999
Ranking the Yeezus songs:
On Sight ☆☆☆☆☆
Black Skinhead ☆☆☆☆☆
I Am a God ☆☆☆☆
New Slaves ☆☆☆☆☆
Hold My Liquor ☆☆☆☆☆
I'm In It ☆☆☆
Blood On The Leaves ☆☆☆☆
Guilt Trip ☆☆☆☆☆
Send It Up ☆☆☆☆
Bound 2 ☆☆☆☆Guilt trip above blood on the leaves.
You’re entitled to that, but man, I would’ve even put it above I’m In It - Apr 12, 2021·1 replysosAMG
Guilt trip above blood on the leaves.
You’re entitled to that, but man, I would’ve even put it above I’m In ItGuilt Trip is dope af
If you asked me in 2013 I would’ve told you BOTL is the best song on Yeezus, I outgrown it a little still think it’s good tho
- Apr 12, 2021·1 replyflizzy 999
Guilt Trip is dope af
If you asked me in 2013 I would’ve told you BOTL is the best song on Yeezus, I outgrown it a little still think it’s good tho
Word, I’ll admit that there’s a bias though because even though I thought Yeezus was the greatest s*** ever the day it dropped, I never let guilt trip play past 15 seconds until like a year ago. Something about the beginning just did not sound appealing to me lol
- Apr 12, 2021·1 replysosAMG
Word, I’ll admit that there’s a bias though because even though I thought Yeezus was the greatest s*** ever the day it dropped, I never let guilt trip play past 15 seconds until like a year ago. Something about the beginning just did not sound appealing to me lol
I don’t skip anything on Yeezus, but I used to skip Hell of a Life a lot
- Apr 12, 2021Justin
Don’t do I’m in it like that
I’m never in the mood for I’m In It tbh
- Apr 12, 2021·1 replyflizzy 999
I don’t skip anything on Yeezus, but I used to skip Hell of a Life a lot
I agree on that one, I don’t dislike the song I think my frequent playing of Guitar Hero 3 just made that interpolation sound so boring to me lol
- Apr 12, 2021·1 replysosAMG
I agree on that one, I don’t dislike the song I think my frequent playing of Guitar Hero 3 just made that interpolation sound so boring to me lol
I used to not like it but one day it clicked
Like 305 for my city