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2y

Hey y'all. I've been off KTT for a couple of months. Figured I'd come back to give a Jewish perspective on everything that's going on right now. For some background, I'm not heavily religious, but my grandmother was a Holocaust survivor who emphasized the power of religion in keeping our family together. I grew up in a majority Jewish affluent neighborhood. Kanye was also a role model for me. His music and confident persona gave me a certain framework to cope with severe depression. So I feel pretty equipped to provide some perspective for people who don't understand just how harmful Kanye's rhetoric has been and also just want to provide some venting on how much this sucks.

I also don't want this to become a breeding ground for whataboutisms. I vehemently oppose hateful rhetoric against all walks of life.

I'm going to start with some concessions. Yes, the entertainment and banking industries are rife with Jewish executives. I know some people in these sorts of positions. I can tell you that they did not get their jobs because of their religion. They got their jobs because they were put in positions early on to go to prestigious institutions, which ultimately leads to prestigious jobs. Jewish culture places great emphasis on education. It is laughable to think that there's some Jewish cult that's determining every major decision and ensuring that more Jews come in to perpetuate their "agenda."

Speaking of agenda, I do not understand how there could even be such thing as a "Jewish agenda." The idea that Jews want to create a more secular world is simply not grounded in reality. There are 8 million Jews in America. In what world would a "path to domination" through the secularization of the United States even become feasible?

That's the most I'll do to refute any of these idiotic points. Because they are that stupid and antisemitic. Now I want to move to the consequences.

The past month has presented us with the most public antisemitism that I have seen in my life. We live in a society where people want someone to blame. The average dude who has never met a Jewish person in his life is now blaming Jews for all of their problems because they supposedly all have the power to ruin everyone's lives. Simply put, none of it makes sense. It never will.

Jews are disproportionately targeted by hate crimes already. In 2020, Jews were the third highest targeted group, despite making up about 2% of the U.S. population. I can only imagine more hate crimes in the coming months. More synagogues burning. More Orthodox Jews attacked on the streets. I go to a religious school. I legitimately fear that my school will be targeted, and targeted soon.

This is the same rhetoric that was responsible for starting the Holocaust. That's why this is dangerous. Kanye (and Kyrie while we're at it) have promoted antisemitism to at least 100,000,000 people at this point. I remind you, there are 8,000,000 Jews in the United States. I would willingly bet that most Americans don't know a Jew personally, since we're mostly localized around the coasts. These comments being the most that a lot of people will ever know about Jewish people is deeply troubling, and likely to proliferate more hate crimes.

To end all of this, I'm scared. I'm scared for myself. I'm scared for my friends. I'm scared for my family. The only way for the notion of Jewish power to be defeated is by attacking Jewish people with no consequences. Any consequence for these attacks is merely viewed as proving Kanye's point. It's a lose-lose for us.

I hope that this can provide some perspective. Happy to answer some questions before I ask for a perma ban again.

back or whatever

2y

Hey y'all. I've been off KTT for a couple of months. Figured I'd come back to give a Jewish perspective on everything that's going on right now. For some background, I'm not heavily religious, but my grandmother was a Holocaust survivor who emphasized the power of religion in keeping our family together. I grew up in a majority Jewish affluent neighborhood. Kanye was also a role model for me. His music and confident persona gave me a certain framework to cope with severe depression. So I feel pretty equipped to provide some perspective for people who don't understand just how harmful Kanye's rhetoric has been and also just want to provide some venting on how much this sucks.

I also don't want this to become a breeding ground for whataboutisms. I vehemently oppose hateful rhetoric against all walks of life.

I'm going to start with some concessions. Yes, the entertainment and banking industries are rife with Jewish executives. I know some people in these sorts of positions. I can tell you that they did not get their jobs because of their religion. They got their jobs because they were put in positions early on to go to prestigious institutions, which ultimately leads to prestigious jobs. Jewish culture places great emphasis on education. It is laughable to think that there's some Jewish cult that's determining every major decision and ensuring that more Jews come in to perpetuate their "agenda."

Speaking of agenda, I do not understand how there could even be such thing as a "Jewish agenda." The idea that Jews want to create a more secular world is simply not grounded in reality. There are 8 million Jews in America. In what world would a "path to domination" through the secularization of the United States even become feasible?

That's the most I'll do to refute any of these idiotic points. Because they are that stupid and antisemitic. Now I want to move to the consequences.

The past month has presented us with the most public antisemitism that I have seen in my life. We live in a society where people want someone to blame. The average dude who has never met a Jewish person in his life is now blaming Jews for all of their problems because they supposedly all have the power to ruin everyone's lives. Simply put, none of it makes sense. It never will.

Jews are disproportionately targeted by hate crimes already. In 2020, Jews were the third highest targeted group, despite making up about 2% of the U.S. population. I can only imagine more hate crimes in the coming months. More synagogues burning. More Orthodox Jews attacked on the streets. I go to a religious school. I legitimately fear that my school will be targeted, and targeted soon.

This is the same rhetoric that was responsible for starting the Holocaust. That's why this is dangerous. Kanye (and Kyrie while we're at it) have promoted antisemitism to at least 100,000,000 people at this point. I remind you, there are 8,000,000 Jews in the United States. I would willingly bet that most Americans don't know a Jew personally, since we're mostly localized around the coasts. These comments being the most that a lot of people will ever know about Jewish people is deeply troubling, and likely to proliferate more hate crimes.

To end all of this, I'm scared. I'm scared for myself. I'm scared for my friends. I'm scared for my family. The only way for the notion of Jewish power to be defeated is by attacking Jewish people with no consequences. Any consequence for these attacks is merely viewed as proving Kanye's point. It's a lose-lose for us.

I hope that this can provide some perspective. Happy to answer some questions before I ask for a perma ban again.

Yayo

2y

I see these posts and I don’t get why they’re here

KTT is more negative about ye than Twitter, youtube and tiktok

CrippledGod

2y

I dont think that's it at all, I think it's more of cognitive dissonance.

On one hand, they hear that the Jewish community absolutely isn't powerful and able to exert control, and on the other hand they see a man lose billions and become a pariah because he went at them (which is seemingly proving his rhetoric)

You can talk until your spit dries how this is due to people/corporations clamping down on harmful misinformation, and not wanting to be associated with it, but people are still going to see it as "the jews took him down"

rather late

2y

Just saying that antisemitism is very multicultural and widely accepted compared to white nationalism
Youre also correct tho

Lydge

2y

I’m with you there brother. Also Jewish. Grew up idolising Kanye for how he changed the world in a positive way with his music and pushed creative boundaries that no one ever did before. Then to live through this is extremely painful for me.

kusa

2y

it’s ight jus move to israel and join the idf y’all b safe

kusa

2y

it’s ight jus move to israel and join the idf y’all b safe

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2y

part of the problem

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painful is the right word. just hurts so bad to know that he doesn't give a f*** about us.

Lydge

2y

It’s not the not giving a f*** element for me as beyond the normal part of being human and caring about other people and not wishing them harm, I think people can’t expect others to actively care about them. However, it’s the actual racism and deep rooted hate which has blindsided me

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2y

yeah that's kinda what i meant. my op there makes it seem like i still have some parasocial relationship with dude, and i'm def too old for that.

you hit the nail on the head. it's the not giving a f*** about the consequences. not giving enough of a f*** to learn anything. it's shameful and just upsetting to see your heroes fall like that.

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2y

part of the problem

Senior Intern

2y

It's ight just move to Wyoming and join donda sports and y'all b safe (not really tho your brain's fried)

kusa

2y

ironic

kusa

2y

racist

Senior Intern

2y

Racist against white people that got into Kanye in 2016?

kusa

2y

if thats the narrative u wanna run wit

Senior Intern

2y

Best you keep with these little snappy comebacks because, yet again, your brain is too fried for anything longer

kusa

2y

u jus mad cus im right and u hav no idea what u talkin bout

Senior Intern

2y

You're just mad cause you hopped on the Kanye train 5+ years after his most recent great album and now defending the most ridiculous positions is like second nature to you, even if it's just like the muscle memory of a decapitated chicken

kusa

2y

i been listenin to kanye for 10+ years now, and nothin i said was wrong lmaoo