BlueChew Sean

2y

I never do this, but I looked up the LSA thread just because I'm curious about what they're saying

Pretty tame tbh, yall going in harder than they are. Just a bunch of "I never liked Blonde, he lost me after Channel Orange", "If a black woman did that performance, she would not be getting all these excuses" posts and one person saying they heard Frank was f***ing underage twinks but this performance crosses a line

OldAssChampion

2y

I haven’t heard a single person talk down on franks performance in my day to day life

Your social media feed isn’t the majority and the sooner y’all realize that the better

40AndAPitBull

2y

No, sorry, this is a dumb and bad take. This is denialism. There's a ton of publications running pretty scathing reviews of the shows. And it's not some tweets here or there, so many clips of people at the show giving negative thoughts are going pretty viral online.

Personal friends who went, and who loved Frank said it was awful.

OldAssChampion

2y

I haven’t heard a single person talk down on franks performance in my day to day life

Your social media feed isn’t the majority and the sooner y’all realize that the better

HURRYUPSONIC

2y

Frank Ocean’s headlining set from a distance seemed to be a chaotic disaster. If you were online on Sunday, you for sure saw this rage, but if you were online on Monday the day after, hoooo boy, it was the wild west out there. A legendary artist came out of hiding and confused absolutely everyone. But what exactly even happened? Because the moment the livestream was cancelled, it seemed like almost the entire internet turned on Frank Ocean. Of course, this wouldn’t even be the first time that even happened. But I’m here to defend this man and the performance he gave. I’ve been seeing the massive internet pile-on Frank Ocean received and just been getting angry over so many of these comments about how he hates his fans to how he’s washed up. Or how he was lazy. Sorry but I’m here to g-check every single one of you. Because this was actually a great set, but it was definitely for actual fans of Frank Ocean. The real heads. How do I know this? Because everyone exposes themselves when saying this was all mellow. I’ll break down the set but also address the main points of contention. Let’s back up a bit. Frank Ocean was announced as the Coachella headliner in 2020, but because of the COVID-19 pandemic, that was cancelled and he was on the hook contractually to headline the festival somewhere down the line. Eventually, it was confirmed he would then headline the festival in 2023. Now ever since Blonde came out, back in 2016, we’ve had a trickle of new releases from Frank Ocean over the years. First was his was blonded radio project on Apple Music, where he premiered singles like Chanel and Calvin Harris’ Slide. It was actually quite a productive time for Frank as he was doing a lot of work, from Endless and Blonde to all these new singles. He would then go out and release a number of singles that somewhat hinted towards a new album that never materialized. He would then sporadically drop songs when a new episode of his Blonded Radio would release. Other than that, he’s been busy opening a jewelry store and his own jewelry line. He has hinted at not wanting to release a full length but then has begun hinting again that he was interested in long-form material once more. It’s been a wild ride being a Frank Ocean fan, that is for sure. Oh, and the big kicker, Frank Ocean hasn’t performed live since 2017. The expectations for this set were huge. So lets just talk about what the main problems this set had and what people took issue with.
Gonna be completely honest here. I absolutely do not care about this and have no idea why anyone else online does either. You were not there. From the reports on the ground I heard people talk about how punishing waiting an hour was and I’ve definitely been there. I still remember waiting for artists like Travis Scott at ACL before and it happens often so its almost like a coin flip. The important thing to note is people are using this excuse for his set being cut short. And yet, Rolling Stone reports that his set actually went over time and they played more music than originally planned. So like yeah I don’t care. You also don’t see anyone whining about BlackPink and Calvin Harris being 30 minutes late (other than INSIDER) either. But yeah like how this affects anyone outside of the actual festival is just so confusing. YOU WERE NOT THERE! You were at home, watching an IG live stream or watching YouTube videos after. Cry me a river. As for those actually there, I feel them. I do. But damn that was some real tension everyone was feeling over there. Was he gonna show up? Was he going to bail? Well he showed up. You’re already there at the festival, what are you going to do, leave? Hell no! Arguably the biggest issue everyone had with the set. This is quite literally the biggest point of contention. Towards the end of the show, Frank’s band or at the very least their drummer, started to perform Nikes (the first song off Blonde). There is no question that Nikes and later Nights are possibly Frank Ocean’s most well known songs. And they are incredibly beloved pieces of music. During the show though Frank Ocean would stop performing and one of his songs would play. This happened twice, not counting the DJ rave set. The first time was after Frank and the band performed Solo. A remixed version of Chanel started to play which would lead into the DJ Set. Later after an incredible acoustic version of Self Control was played, the same happened with Nikes and Nights. Listen I’m not gonna beat around the bush on this one. This was a big miscalculation on Frank’s part on not singing some of his biggest songs. So I can definitely feel the frustration from the people who were disappointed. At the same time however, watching the video footage it almost seems like this is what Frank intended to do for this portion. Somewhere around the 3:00 minute mark, Frank Ocean turns to the mic after just vibing along to Nights and Nikes and picks it up. He had already been letting the songs play and judging from multiple video sources was enjoying the fans singing along. Frank Ocean turning and going for the microphone during Nights After listening to the fans sing, Frank shakes his head and places the mic on the stand again
As he grabs the mic he makes this face and notices people singing, and places the mic down. I think he noticed this was more of a intimate moment for him and the fans and just decided to vibe out with everyone instead of singing live. This happens a lot in many types of shows, especially in pop and rap where the vocals are piped in. But this was the breaking point for many people in the audience and definitely for people online. Everyone was just sharing videos of Frank dancing and acting for the camera but not singing. This caused everyone to just s*** all over him and say he hates his fans so much. But upon closer inspection of the actual footage, people did seem to be having fun and no one was booing. No one even seemed remotely upset at what was transpiring in front of them. Now I think this small moment for the people in the audience was well intentioned from Frank Ocean, but he probably should have sang. At the same time, I won’t be surprised if he does the same thing next week. From conversations I’ve had with my cousin who was there and other people online, people generally were having a good time during this. There was definitely a disconnect between the performance, the fans in attendance and everyone else online. And this was just exacerbated by having no livestream and it was the end of the set. So people were furious that on top of no livestream, he didn’t sing Nikes, Nights or Chanel. Which caused the widespread hyperbole that Frank Ocean did not sing at all during his show. Despite how strong the show started and its adventurous experimental rave set, if you don’t send people home happy it could potentially ruin the entire evening for many. Was it disappointing? For sure, and he could’ve saved the whole thing if he had sang these, but hindsight is 20/20. I’m sorry but this one was some ridiculous projection. Just because the guy was sitting down most of the time, and then dared to not sing his big songs at the end did not mean he didn’t want to be there. In fact, it looked like he was having fun on stage. He even said that he was having fun while acknowledging the chaos of his own show. He was jumping around, dancing a bit, laughing it up, talking to the fans and more. People point to how he didn’t apologize for being late, when was the last time you saw anyone apologize for being late. Like honestly, be for real. When he did talk to the audience he gave a heartfelt story about the real reason he was playing Coachella (it was for his brother) and even explained why he had a DJ set. You can’t tell me the smiles of this guy were fake or disingenuous. I also feel like this was just generally people saying this because he was only playing mellower songs. I just don’t think people online have ever listened to Frank Ocean outside of his singles. Started to see the real reason people online were upset was because they just didn’t want to listen or watch these intimate performances and wanted something more along the lines of a Bad Bunny set where he’s just playing the hits. You were never going to get that. The entitlement people have over a concert they didn’t even pay for is ridiculous. The fans who were there had a much different story to tell though from the online conversation: It was difficult to see Frank Ocean outside of the main screen

OldAssChampion

2y

I haven’t heard a single person talk down on franks performance in my day to day life

Your social media feed isn’t the majority and the sooner y’all realize that the better

theshen

2y

Why are we writing essays on ktt guys

ragedsycokiller

2y

https://www.reddit.com/r/FrankOcean/comments/12szoz1/clip_of_frank_leaving_w1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

They got his ass on camera

Nort

2y

he literally doesnt give 2 s***s about his fans

ragedsycokiller

2y

https://www.reddit.com/r/FrankOcean/comments/12szoz1/clip_of_frank_leaving_w1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

They got his ass on camera

Nort

2y

he literally doesnt give 2 s***s about his fans

ragedsycokiller

2y

https://www.reddit.com/r/FrankOcean/comments/12szoz1/clip_of_frank_leaving_w1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

They got his ass on camera

Faith

2y

Might sound harsh, but sometimes cold/hard truth is the best medicine

We’ve all seen diehard and delusional fans grasping for any—every—excuse to support Frank. It was difficult for me, too, but I reached the conclusion he pulled Def Jam pt. II by meeting contractual obligations to swindle Coachella, and more importantly fans, to the tune of $5,000,000: half-ass his “first” show after throwing diva tantrums, then the medical excuse cop out to avoid breach of contract and possibly collect on insurance for weekend 2—strange the cancel decision didn’t arrive til Wednesday.

His willingness to collect on ridiculous prices for merch commemorating an ever-aging (albeit legendary) body of work is shameless. If only he approached his loyal fandom with new art when he gets hungrier for money…

This dude has parlayed his considerable musical gifts into a career as a jeweler and, apparently, soon a director for A24 (“see you soon” 🤡). Without the money he was paid, by fans, the worlds of fine jewelry and Hollywood wouldn’t have given a rat’s ass. We are constantly chided, “he doesn’t owe fans anything.” If so, he should at least respect the fans enough to quit cashing in on re-releasing 6+ year old material, tired/mid merch, and fly-by-night “performances”.

I think it’s fair to say that the rich and famous end up surrounded by enablers and yes-men who contribute to an environment of delusion, paranoia, and oftentimes, identity crisis. Justin Bieber might have enjoyed the show, but, my instinct couldn’t help consider that he so publicly declared support for a universally recognized catastrophe to ingratiate himself to Frank (I know I’m gonna catch s*** for this, but I really couldn’t help but think it).

Whilst some people think being permissive of Frank’s greed and manipulation in the name of grief is doing him a favor, I think it’s the exact opposite. Sometimes people need to be held up to a mirror to see problems afflicting them, and to hopefully better themselves.

The way I see it, a talented musician is wealth-obsessed and trying to make bandaids out of dollar bills; this at the expense of the most consistent $ source he’s ever known: music fans. His refusal to be real with his core audience is transparent and appalling. It’s even offensive, because he underestimates one of the most patient and understanding fandoms I’ve ever seen—his own.

In his writing and music, I’ve witnessed a sensitive and compassionate soul, and that soul is not consistent with this greed and callous disregard of other human beings…I just want to see him act with integrity, with or without music.

PS shout out to Morgan, the only real “beauty in chaos” was that show introducing us to a great personality and emerging artist!

OldAssChampion

2y

I haven’t heard a single person talk down on franks performance in my day to day life

Your social media feed isn’t the majority and the sooner y’all realize that the better

HURRYUPSONIC

2y

Frank Ocean’s headlining set from a distance seemed to be a chaotic disaster. If you were online on Sunday, you for sure saw this rage, but if you were online on Monday the day after, hoooo boy, it was the wild west out there. A legendary artist came out of hiding and confused absolutely everyone. But what exactly even happened? Because the moment the livestream was cancelled, it seemed like almost the entire internet turned on Frank Ocean. Of course, this wouldn’t even be the first time that even happened. But I’m here to defend this man and the performance he gave. I’ve been seeing the massive internet pile-on Frank Ocean received and just been getting angry over so many of these comments about how he hates his fans to how he’s washed up. Or how he was lazy. Sorry but I’m here to g-check every single one of you. Because this was actually a great set, but it was definitely for actual fans of Frank Ocean. The real heads. How do I know this? Because everyone exposes themselves when saying this was all mellow. I’ll break down the set but also address the main points of contention. Let’s back up a bit. Frank Ocean was announced as the Coachella headliner in 2020, but because of the COVID-19 pandemic, that was cancelled and he was on the hook contractually to headline the festival somewhere down the line. Eventually, it was confirmed he would then headline the festival in 2023. Now ever since Blonde came out, back in 2016, we’ve had a trickle of new releases from Frank Ocean over the years. First was his was blonded radio project on Apple Music, where he premiered singles like Chanel and Calvin Harris’ Slide. It was actually quite a productive time for Frank as he was doing a lot of work, from Endless and Blonde to all these new singles. He would then go out and release a number of singles that somewhat hinted towards a new album that never materialized. He would then sporadically drop songs when a new episode of his Blonded Radio would release. Other than that, he’s been busy opening a jewelry store and his own jewelry line. He has hinted at not wanting to release a full length but then has begun hinting again that he was interested in long-form material once more. It’s been a wild ride being a Frank Ocean fan, that is for sure. Oh, and the big kicker, Frank Ocean hasn’t performed live since 2017. The expectations for this set were huge. So lets just talk about what the main problems this set had and what people took issue with.
Gonna be completely honest here. I absolutely do not care about this and have no idea why anyone else online does either. You were not there. From the reports on the ground I heard people talk about how punishing waiting an hour was and I’ve definitely been there. I still remember waiting for artists like Travis Scott at ACL before and it happens often so its almost like a coin flip. The important thing to note is people are using this excuse for his set being cut short. And yet, Rolling Stone reports that his set actually went over time and they played more music than originally planned. So like yeah I don’t care. You also don’t see anyone whining about BlackPink and Calvin Harris being 30 minutes late (other than INSIDER) either. But yeah like how this affects anyone outside of the actual festival is just so confusing. YOU WERE NOT THERE! You were at home, watching an IG live stream or watching YouTube videos after. Cry me a river. As for those actually there, I feel them. I do. But damn that was some real tension everyone was feeling over there. Was he gonna show up? Was he going to bail? Well he showed up. You’re already there at the festival, what are you going to do, leave? Hell no! Arguably the biggest issue everyone had with the set. This is quite literally the biggest point of contention. Towards the end of the show, Frank’s band or at the very least their drummer, started to perform Nikes (the first song off Blonde). There is no question that Nikes and later Nights are possibly Frank Ocean’s most well known songs. And they are incredibly beloved pieces of music. During the show though Frank Ocean would stop performing and one of his songs would play. This happened twice, not counting the DJ rave set. The first time was after Frank and the band performed Solo. A remixed version of Chanel started to play which would lead into the DJ Set. Later after an incredible acoustic version of Self Control was played, the same happened with Nikes and Nights. Listen I’m not gonna beat around the bush on this one. This was a big miscalculation on Frank’s part on not singing some of his biggest songs. So I can definitely feel the frustration from the people who were disappointed. At the same time however, watching the video footage it almost seems like this is what Frank intended to do for this portion. Somewhere around the 3:00 minute mark, Frank Ocean turns to the mic after just vibing along to Nights and Nikes and picks it up. He had already been letting the songs play and judging from multiple video sources was enjoying the fans singing along. Frank Ocean turning and going for the microphone during Nights After listening to the fans sing, Frank shakes his head and places the mic on the stand again
As he grabs the mic he makes this face and notices people singing, and places the mic down. I think he noticed this was more of a intimate moment for him and the fans and just decided to vibe out with everyone instead of singing live. This happens a lot in many types of shows, especially in pop and rap where the vocals are piped in. But this was the breaking point for many people in the audience and definitely for people online. Everyone was just sharing videos of Frank dancing and acting for the camera but not singing. This caused everyone to just s*** all over him and say he hates his fans so much. But upon closer inspection of the actual footage, people did seem to be having fun and no one was booing. No one even seemed remotely upset at what was transpiring in front of them. Now I think this small moment for the people in the audience was well intentioned from Frank Ocean, but he probably should have sang. At the same time, I won’t be surprised if he does the same thing next week. From conversations I’ve had with my cousin who was there and other people online, people generally were having a good time during this. There was definitely a disconnect between the performance, the fans in attendance and everyone else online. And this was just exacerbated by having no livestream and it was the end of the set. So people were furious that on top of no livestream, he didn’t sing Nikes, Nights or Chanel. Which caused the widespread hyperbole that Frank Ocean did not sing at all during his show. Despite how strong the show started and its adventurous experimental rave set, if you don’t send people home happy it could potentially ruin the entire evening for many. Was it disappointing? For sure, and he could’ve saved the whole thing if he had sang these, but hindsight is 20/20. I’m sorry but this one was some ridiculous projection. Just because the guy was sitting down most of the time, and then dared to not sing his big songs at the end did not mean he didn’t want to be there. In fact, it looked like he was having fun on stage. He even said that he was having fun while acknowledging the chaos of his own show. He was jumping around, dancing a bit, laughing it up, talking to the fans and more. People point to how he didn’t apologize for being late, when was the last time you saw anyone apologize for being late. Like honestly, be for real. When he did talk to the audience he gave a heartfelt story about the real reason he was playing Coachella (it was for his brother) and even explained why he had a DJ set. You can’t tell me the smiles of this guy were fake or disingenuous. I also feel like this was just generally people saying this because he was only playing mellower songs. I just don’t think people online have ever listened to Frank Ocean outside of his singles. Started to see the real reason people online were upset was because they just didn’t want to listen or watch these intimate performances and wanted something more along the lines of a Bad Bunny set where he’s just playing the hits. You were never going to get that. The entitlement people have over a concert they didn’t even pay for is ridiculous. The fans who were there had a much different story to tell though from the online conversation: It was difficult to see Frank Ocean outside of the main screen