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    Water Giver

    the expectations for a 12 min set where not a single song gets fully played is asinine from the few minority

    i have no idea what they expect

    also f*** em, kendrick did a send a message about his own state and culture, not some random factoid they want to pencil in - and someone from that state and culture especially since it was being clowned into the earth for until mtg, it did mean something

    I don’t think Ghais is criticizing Kendrick for not being revolutionary but rather correcting the misconception of him being revolutionary by critics

    The performance was highly critical but it was not revolutionary. It was never going to be. It’s the Super Bowl for f***s sake

  • 009

    Revolutionary thought, leaders and movements are always going to get co-opted by the ruling class in an attempt to console the masses. That's a given.

    The frustration for me lies with the fact that someone like Kendrick will point out systemic issues and then never explicitly say the why even though we know he knows why. You're telling me the guy who made Institutionalized doesn't know capitalism is a death cult?

    What do you mean say the why

  • americana

    He acknowledged it on Savior

    But he’s surrendered his anger to serve his own personal self rather than the broad social paradigm

    I choose me

    Niggas just told me in another thread thwy dont wanna hear rappers talk about their hoods problems when they (the listener) have problems of their own

    Lmao its always gon be something

  • The Old Guard is Dead

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    I actually tried playing his album this morning but didn’t get through the second track. Didn’t even know he was “a part of the Super Bowl”

  • monza sp1 x

    I thought he already abandoned the bullshit revolutionary gimmick and embraced being the next HOV

    Kendrick as the new Hov is crazy but i almost can see how you could get there

    His next project will determine whether its Pac or Hov lol

  • Poolboy Q

    I actually tried playing his album this morning but didn’t get through the second track. Didn’t even know he was “a part of the Super Bowl”

    lmao ok

  • It’s a good convo to have

  • BrainWorms4U

    He literally said this wasn’t a diss

    https://twitter.com/ghaisguevara/status/1889261451518337375

    And he’s right

    Trump/MAGA is the equivalent/response to post Obamaism and that becoming the zeitgeist

    This s*** get deep lol

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  • BrainWorms4U

    He literally said this wasn’t a diss

    https://twitter.com/ghaisguevara/status/1889261451518337375

    And he’s right

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    009

    He's right, we need more people with this thought pattern. Kendrick gets to enjoy the aesthetic of being a "revolutionary" but doesn't do any revolutionary s***.

    I love the music hate the liberal white bread politics.

    what are we talking about.

    All of this is on idiots who have any expectations whatsoever for a artist to lead,begin,drive a revolution. That has literally never happened and never will happen

    Activists lead revolutions. Kendrick isn't an activist and never claimed to be one.

    It's people who think rapping a 16 bar on a drum beat has anything to do with activism.

    The only thing artists do is describe, document, or highlight what's going on. That goes for any art form...music, painting, dance, whatever. You can be both a artist and activist but the two aren't connected at all.

    Kendrick does a good job of documenting, people have to stop expecting him to be a activist. Less than 0.1 percent of humans have what it takes to be activists.

    It's also a very very weird thing to try to force someone to be a activist given how dangerous it is to be one.

  • Feb 11
    inspoeater

    I appreciate so much that this site is even the only place that we can have a convo like this

    I feel like its a constant ebb and flow of empowering Pac and Ye types and then those ethos just melting into the general zeitgeist and we end up back here underwhelmed (from a revolutionary perspective) with something like Kendrick at the superbowl

    Yup

    We can’t just have these super expressive and thoughtful guys and expect them to have a way advance their respected positions while simultaneously rejecting every offer from the institution

    There have to be movements that can care for them for the to turn to over the powers that be

  • Poolboy Q

    I actually tried playing his album this morning but didn’t get through the second track. Didn’t even know he was “a part of the Super Bowl”

    Only thing I can recommend is playing it loud as possible and checking out his past albums and coming back to this one

    His mixing def needs work but im pretty sure everything he does is DIY n in house

  • JPEGMAFIA

    It's the Apple Music intro. His vocals aren't on it but it's his song. If you watch the YouTube video it's the first thing you hear

    That’s insane! Good for him, tbh

  • Poolboy Q

    I actually tried playing his album this morning but didn’t get through the second track. Didn’t even know he was “a part of the Super Bowl”

    I think the second half is a lot better than the first half. The Super Bowl song is definitely one of the highlights "The Old Guard is Dead"

    Album is the comedy and tragedy of being a rapper it's really fire

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    Technically it is - it is the most anyone has "spoken out" at a superbowl by far

    but even then and if that wasnt the caas it was never made to be presented as that

    • he put on for rap as a genre that is always ignored on these stages, put on for his own culture and untiy (also never before done to this level not even grammys outside of snoop crip walking but this was way more than that) when everyone was kackling about it for half a year

    but ghaid going on about how "theyre gonna still be complaining tomorrow"and ïdk what is being challenged"is clearly a dig directly. while acting like if he "did"do something "radical"then "those"people wouldnt be doing that tomorrow (which is just false lol, theyre already whining about how ëxtreme"it was from something of the alt right, they would just complain more if he had like a manican of trump hanging or something)

    • then the 3rd n 4th tweet i dont even know what he's trying to say. one moment it seems like he's saying "nothing radical can happen in their safe place"but then gets "mad" that the black american passage is there even tho he seemingly wants more of that imagery/stance.

    just comes off as "what have you done for me lately"or "still not enough". while ignoring the actual "radical: things that did happen, and the main thing, ignoring the artist's own vision and own wants

    • oh and lets not forget ITS 12 MINUTES and all RED TAPPED TO HELL - there is not enough time to do anything in-depth and if you tried then it would look like youre half assing or arent well thought out (or could even DAMAGE the point/idea since you time is so restricted that will make it look foolish), and there is too many heads that would not allow it

    it just a stupid, moot, selfish and overall ridiculous thing to to say to that extent or to "wish" for

    its the same energy people give to grammy speeches "why didnt so n so say this and this"when they have a minute to talk and half of it gets cut out. just like a lot of the monority s***ted on Chappell for who tried to do it but still got yelled at for "simplifying"it or not giving attentiveness/depth to it.

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    Saturday
    https://twitter.com/vii6es/status/1888825747856306611!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvFIxd6lWA

    Ginormous W. Wonder who chose that music

  • imShy

    what are we talking about.

    All of this is on idiots who have any expectations whatsoever for a artist to lead,begin,drive a revolution. That has literally never happened and never will happen

    Activists lead revolutions. Kendrick isn't an activist and never claimed to be one.

    It's people who think rapping a 16 bar on a drum beat has anything to do with activism.

    The only thing artists do is describe, document, or highlight what's going on. That goes for any art form...music, painting, dance, whatever. You can be both a artist and activist but the two aren't connected at all.

    Kendrick does a good job of documenting, people have to stop expecting him to be a activist. Less than 0.1 percent of humans have what it takes to be activists.

    It's also a very very weird thing to try to force someone to be a activist given how dangerous it is to be one.

    MLK = activist: leads marches,hold speeches, attempts to change laws, etc

    Musicians = artists: photographers taking pictures for King and his events, writers printing stories for the news papers, musicians making songs about desegregation, etc

    Those are not the same thing. stop looking at artists to be activist. They are not.

    And stop diminishing their impact. They are doing the work of telling the story and spreading the word, the two are just as important.

  • Feb 11

    Ghais is a really good artist

  • Shady Ant

    Ginormous W. Wonder who chose that music

    Fr hope it was pg lang

  • Water Giver

    Technically it is - it is the most anyone has "spoken out" at a superbowl by far

    but even then and if that wasnt the caas it was never made to be presented as that

    • he put on for rap as a genre that is always ignored on these stages, put on for his own culture and untiy (also never before done to this level not even grammys outside of snoop crip walking but this was way more than that) when everyone was kackling about it for half a year

    but ghaid going on about how "theyre gonna still be complaining tomorrow"and ïdk what is being challenged"is clearly a dig directly. while acting like if he "did"do something "radical"then "those"people wouldnt be doing that tomorrow (which is just false lol, theyre already whining about how ëxtreme"it was from something of the alt right, they would just complain more if he had like a manican of trump hanging or something)

    • then the 3rd n 4th tweet i dont even know what he's trying to say. one moment it seems like he's saying "nothing radical can happen in their safe place"but then gets "mad" that the black american passage is there even tho he seemingly wants more of that imagery/stance.

    just comes off as "what have you done for me lately"or "still not enough". while ignoring the actual "radical: things that did happen, and the main thing, ignoring the artist's own vision and own wants

    • oh and lets not forget ITS 12 MINUTES and all RED TAPPED TO HELL - there is not enough time to do anything in-depth and if you tried then it would look like youre half assing or arent well thought out (or could even DAMAGE the point/idea since you time is so restricted that will make it look foolish), and there is too many heads that would not allow it

    it just a stupid, moot, selfish and overall ridiculous thing to to say to that extent or to "wish" for

    its the same energy people give to grammy speeches "why didnt so n so say this and this"when they have a minute to talk and half of it gets cut out. just like a lot of the monority s***ted on Chappell for who tried to do it but still got yelled at for "simplifying"it or not giving attentiveness/depth to it.

    Feels like he’s more so critiquing the response by some black liberals to the performance and not the performance itself

  • He's right. I enjoyed the show but it really ain't THAT deep.

  • BrainWorms4U

    He literally said this wasn’t a diss

    https://twitter.com/ghaisguevara/status/1889261451518337375

    And he’s right

    This mf spittin

  • Feb 11
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    Water Giver

    Technically it is - it is the most anyone has "spoken out" at a superbowl by far

    but even then and if that wasnt the caas it was never made to be presented as that

    • he put on for rap as a genre that is always ignored on these stages, put on for his own culture and untiy (also never before done to this level not even grammys outside of snoop crip walking but this was way more than that) when everyone was kackling about it for half a year

    but ghaid going on about how "theyre gonna still be complaining tomorrow"and ïdk what is being challenged"is clearly a dig directly. while acting like if he "did"do something "radical"then "those"people wouldnt be doing that tomorrow (which is just false lol, theyre already whining about how ëxtreme"it was from something of the alt right, they would just complain more if he had like a manican of trump hanging or something)

    • then the 3rd n 4th tweet i dont even know what he's trying to say. one moment it seems like he's saying "nothing radical can happen in their safe place"but then gets "mad" that the black american passage is there even tho he seemingly wants more of that imagery/stance.

    just comes off as "what have you done for me lately"or "still not enough". while ignoring the actual "radical: things that did happen, and the main thing, ignoring the artist's own vision and own wants

    • oh and lets not forget ITS 12 MINUTES and all RED TAPPED TO HELL - there is not enough time to do anything in-depth and if you tried then it would look like youre half assing or arent well thought out (or could even DAMAGE the point/idea since you time is so restricted that will make it look foolish), and there is too many heads that would not allow it

    it just a stupid, moot, selfish and overall ridiculous thing to to say to that extent or to "wish" for

    its the same energy people give to grammy speeches "why didnt so n so say this and this"when they have a minute to talk and half of it gets cut out. just like a lot of the monority s***ted on Chappell for who tried to do it but still got yelled at for "simplifying"it or not giving attentiveness/depth to it.

    The general disposition to have a contrarian opinion right now is something that no one acknowledges lmao

    Charlamagne and Budden lowkey the most influential