rami

1y

i agree with the general sentiment that it was pretty eh in terms of plot and what they did with it. I'm pretty sure kratos wasn't actually destined to die. That was a fake prophecy by fey in jotunheim. Real one was the ending. Whole point was everyone did their fate, but not just cause it was fate. They also did more than their fate, like angrboda

I liked what they did with jorm. S*** there's a bunch of dumb niggas that don't even know that's him or made up these random theories of gjallahorn summoning the 2018/midgard jorm to fight.

idc about mjolnir tbh, spear was fun and they added some backstory for the axe, thor, fey. Odin was mid. His best part was the tyr part, but besides that he was essentially a built up and wasted villain like snoke from the sequels imo.

I still can't believe ppl have really said this story was great, or even implied it's among the best stories in gaming tbh. Felt phoned in and a step back from the 2018 game imo

SKYKILLA

1y

Just got the plat

Finding the real tyr was so underwhelming lol

There was more effort put into the random Mimir stories and other casual conversation as you’re free roaming

You surprisingly find out the real tyr has been alive in the prison the entire time, you tell him Odin is dead and Asgard is gone - and he just says I need to be alone to process this information

He sits on the floor. That’s it.

russianbot23

1y

Man the more I think on this the more this game felt like S8 of GOT.

• The biggest driving force of the plot was Odin’s deus ex machina mask, which was never fleshed out enough for us to care. Like yeah dude forbidden knowledge, that’s really what all of this was about?
• The mask/forbidden knowledge became the driving force by default because Kratos and Atreus are really just meandering around and reacting for the vast majority of the story. They have no goal in this one, Kratos even considers walking away and just going home about 80% in. The antagonists don’t want conflict, the main character doesn’t want conflict, the story just awkwardly stumbles towards a conclusion that feels pretty avoidable, rather than inevitable.
• The Tyr twist was ineffective because Tyr was useless and unlikable anyway for the entire game.
• Thor and Odin were TOO likable every time they’re actually on-screen to the point where they don’t make effective villains. Sure Thor is rough-around-the-edges and Odin is a bit of a d***, but all of the truly horrible things that they’ve apparently done are told to you by other characters. That isn’t good storytelling and doesn’t translate well when you actually meet their characters. The only one that I really wanted to kill based on his personality was Heimdall.
• Kratos should’ve just taken the peace deal in the beginning, for 90% of the game he actively is saying he doesn’t want war, doesn’t want Ragnarok, but when Odin comes and offers peace in the beginning he says “nope.” Kinda stupid to have that offered to him and then never give us a compelling reason for why it would’ve been a bad idea, besides Mimir going “noooo don’t trust him!”
• They spent so much time in Ironwood with Angrboda suggesting that a solid chunk of the giants have survived and they may fulfill Groa’s prophecy of an army of the Jötnar marching during Asgard. But nope, sorry, developers were on sharp deadlines so we’re not actually going to include that plotline or animate any of the armies besides the elves into the battle of Ragnarok. Make sure you buy the Loki spin-off to see what happens to the giants!*

Birdie

1y

Just speaking to your second to last point on ‘peace’

Odin has betrayed every single person outside of Asgard he’s made a deal with, why would Kratos trust him? Mimir and Freya both spent most of 2018 talking about Odins betrayals of the other realms.

The whole point of the first scene was to showcase Odin lying and begin his manipulation of Atreus (He only let Thor fight Kratos so he could be alone with him and have him find the fake Tyr/him so he can bring him closer to Asgard and manipulate him further for help)

“That one has to stop his search for Tyr” Odin knew by saying that it would encourage them to keep searching. If he wanted them to truly stop looking he would have let Thor kill Kratos and just taken Loki hostage. That line and Thor reviving Kratos make this whole line of reasoning clear.

russianbot23

1y

That’s fair. My lingering issue with it ties into my greater point about Odin being passive in the game, to the point of feeling disconnected from the character that Mimir always talks about.

Yes, he was manipulating things to get Atreus to help him with the mask/realm tear thing (I guess Atreus has the best language comprehension in all of the realms) but uhh… so what. We have nothing besides Mimir’s stories to suggest that Odin would’ve killed Atreus in the end, or used the knowledge in the void to bring about a holocaust or something. Kratos would’ve been proven right for rejecting the peace deal if they explored the concept further and let Odin’s evil plan unravel, but that just never happens in the game. Makes the story feel really low stakes despite being on the verge of apocalypse.

BlueDream

1y

Beat the game a lil while ago, but I'm just now doing Brok's funeral

"A hole"

"What?"

"Gets bigger the more you take away"

The perfect mic drop...

That scene alone just put Ragnarok over GOW 2018 for me. Wow...

Tiddy

1y

Just finished

I hope they’re trolling about this being the last one, I feel like they left it open ended in case they wanted to do another one

Tiddy

1y

Just finished

I hope they’re trolling about this being the last one, I feel like they left it open ended in case they wanted to do another one

PRINCED3VILLE

1y

Damn some of y’all be sounding like professional storytellers and writers and s***. Lol. I don’t be looking that deep into games like that to critique it lol. About 4-5 hours in I had a smile on my face almost the whole time, shaking my head at how good the graphics and gameplay was. One of the best gaming experiences I ever had.

Some of these comments read like niggas had a straight face playing it the whole time, turning their noses up at the plot and s***.

Tiddy

1y

Just finished

I hope they’re trolling about this being the last one, I feel like they left it open ended in case they wanted to do another one

PRINCED3VILLE

1y

Damn some of y’all be sounding like professional storytellers and writers and s***. Lol. I don’t be looking that deep into games like that to critique it lol. About 4-5 hours in I had a smile on my face almost the whole time, shaking my head at how good the graphics and gameplay was. One of the best gaming experiences I ever had.

Some of these comments read like niggas had a straight face playing it the whole time, turning their noses up at the plot and s***.

Urameshii

1y

I just discovered the prehistoric world with them dragons this game just keeps on giving

russianbot23

1y

Yea… I just beat it. F***. I’m kinda underwhelmed.

Ragnarok just could’ve been so much more… we never see the armies of Hel, Skoll and Hati never eat the Sun & Moon, Jormungandr & Fenrir are just background characters (they kill Thor and Odin in the mythologies.) The battle goes too quick. The Thor fight felt really rushed and one-dimensional, and his death was anticlimactic. And we don’t even get Mjolnir 🙁 Surtr’s role is weird and we hardly get to see him destroying Asgard. Odin‘s part and final fight was alright but nothing mind-blowing.

A ton of time in the game is also given to the prophecy of Kratos dying, which never even comes close to fruition and hardly gets mentioned after killing Heimdall. I also didn’t really understand the last prophecy boards at the end, and Atreus leaving felt like it came out of nowhere. Then the game is just over. No resolution between Sindri and Atreus?

I dunno man I just expected more from such a good series.

Kr0niic

1y

The more i read this the more I think you’re ed (didn’t read)

russianbot23

1y

Yeah the story had major issues. The biggest problem was having a passive protagonist and a passive antagonist.

Kratos’ character arc basically ended in GOW2018 with “The cycle ends here, we must be better than this.” He decided that the cycles of violence and vengeance needed to end, and he goes from the God of War to the God of Peace. That’s beautiful and all, but left the series in a tough position. Now he doesn’t want to kill gods anymore, so he’s not going to be the one pushing for Ragnarok.

Then they made Odin almost equally passive, to the point where he didn’t work as a main villain. Mimir talks about him like he’s Aesir Hitler, but when he’s actually onscreen they go for a way more morally gray approach.

I assumed that they were setting Odin up as some master manipulator and it would all unravel and he’d be revealed as an absolute megalomaniac in the end… but I don’t think we got that to the extent that we should have. Characters are constantly saying stuff like “Odin must die, he’ll destroy everything!” but… would he? That’s not the sense I got from any of his scenes. Until the very end he truly seemed to just want to avoid Ragnarok and unlock the secrets of the universe.

Not having a natural driving force in the story leads to contrived scenes to move the story forward, like having Odin kill Brok. That s*** reminded me of a scene in a superhero movie where the villain is being a little too logical so the writers make him do something real evil out of nowhere. Riddler flooding the city and trying to kill the new mayor for no reason in The Batman type.

925Andrew

1y

It literally feels like they designed it to have a dlc and the fact they’re not doing one is maddening

Kr0niic

1y

Seemed like a pretty finite ending to me not needing dlc