Idk if this was more appropriate for Life sxn or Politics

But as the topic states, I feel like there has been a growing divide in the diaspora. Specifically between Black Americans, and black African immigrants/descendants. This is what prompted me to make a thread

Basically Emmanuel Acho was on Van’s podcast Higher Learning, and Van has always had an issue with the Emmanuel’s approach to handling racism, and white people. Basically Van feels like he coddles white people. So when Emmanuel came on the podcast, Van aired out all his grievances which led to a fruitless conversation. But the discourse seems to have pivoted to “Africans think they’re better than us (Black American)”. I’ve had some debates about this before in the now defunct black power thread and other topics across this forum. The issue seems to have grown since then. Because I’ve even had to deal with this type of rhetoric irl several times at the club of all places So I’m wondering what are y’all thoughts on this. Obviously I’m asking people who are part of the diaspora primarily

stay off the echo chambers @op go outside

I’ve literally had niggas approach me in the club about this because they were tryna talk to my home girl

why are you going to the club if ur not single? also the club f***ing sucks this kinda ur fault.

also i have no idea what ur refering to considering u posted 5 million tweets in op dude

You didn't even read the discourse talked about in the OP

I ain't have any weight on this topic, but looking from the outside was the original convo about the topic of "tone" when talking about race discourse?

Kinda similar to how Noname and Jcole got into a small back and forth during 2020 protests?

@op

F*** no look at all that s*** im better than that

Yea sorta. Idk if you’ve ever seen one of Emmanuel Acho’s shows called Uncomfortable Conversations. That is the main source of Van’s grievances. He thinks Emmanuel coddles white people, but is critical of black athletes. Emmanuel ain’t help his case cause when he was on Vans podcast, he said something to the effect of “Because I am of Nigerian descent, and don’t have generational trauma, my attitude is less hostile to white people.”

Don't know if any of this is worth reading, but anybody taking about "I was set up" probably took the L.

That last sentence is retärded tbh. Nigeria was raped and colonized for a whole century. There are people alive who remember the British rule

sorry but Acho is a f***ing clown.

I agree, colonialism has f***ed up Nigeria immensely.

If anything I’d say the divide between African Americans and African immigrants born in America (and even young Africans in Africa like under 30) is lower than its ever been. Older African immigrants and African Americans have been as hateful as ever

There’s always been a divide.

Black Americans are just starting to really speak and touch the subject.

LMAOOOOOOOOO

Nah the thought of a nigga asking you about the diaspora in the club is both hilarious and hard

Lol not like that. My home girl still has a Ghanaian accent so he peeped she was African when he was trying to talk to her. She wasn’t really feeling him, and when he peeped she wasn’t he started going off. “All y’all Africans think y’all better than us.” “Y’all sold us you know right?” S*** like that.

I think van is being unfair. acho is basically admitting to the fact that because he is an immigrant and not the descendent of slaves and so has a different perspective -- checking his privilege if you will. Van is being intellectually dishonest to frame it as that Acho is "othering himself" from descendents of slaves simply by describing the truth of the matter, the truth of a difference (an otherness) that actually exists in reality

I get what you’re saying, but Africans - well I’ll stick to Nigerians tend to talk as if they are not affected by white supremacy. Like ok sure the inferiority complex isn’t as prevalent, but they feed into white supremacy a lot. A lot of them have a “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” mentality when talking about the plight of black Americans. It’s definitely changed in the last decade, because more of them are getting educated on the subject.

Iirc Nigeria is or was at one point the #1 consumer of skin bleaching products. They associate anything Nigerian made as being inferior, yet still have unfounded pride in themselves. The duality of it is amazing lol. For all that pride, it is not uncommon at all to hear Nigerians s*** on their own country, and a lot of them would leave if they had the opportunity. It’s a very cynical country unfortunately. Which you can draw back to how colonialism and white supremacy has shaped them. So I disagree that they or any African country doesn’t have trauma from white supremacy & colonialism.

Been like this for a minute now

ktt2.com/whats-up-with-all-the-african-caribbean-and-african-american-82632

But as for OP. I get bro point about not having "generational trauma" because he isn't the descendant of slaves to address issues regarding racism towards black americans w white people from a different perspective. Which isn't that crazy of a take

But... bro definitely does have generational trauma from being Nigerian just to a different type than black americans lol.

Idk his content so idk how he speaks w white people bout these issues. But I dont know how that discussion devolve into Africans/AA beef again

As far as the "diaspora wars". Its a both sides divide to where u do have Africans that think they're superior to black americans due to white supremacist stereotypes (lazy, violent, thugs, disrespectful, etc)

but you also have black americans that think they're superior to African because of white supremacist stereotypes (lazy, dirty, savages, etc)

Its definitely gotten a lot better than say pre 2016. A lot of people recognizing that the divide just a product of white supremacy that's pitting them against each other

Two sodes of same coin being/been conned by the same bank & tricked into infighting

And the loop goes since USA black slaves came off the chains

yeah i know what u mean. but i think that's exactly what acho was saying, he was trying to explain (without saying it was justified) why nigerians immigrants act like that. i dont know the whole context of van and acho's relationship, but that comment seemed like he was trying to be self-aware

Nigerians will s*** on Nigeria because of generational issues due to corruption, same way people in the US or elsewhere will s*** on their leaders, it's not unique to them. Having pride in one's country/people isn't anything new either - you see people struggling and yet you see people succeeding and overcoming which is often where the pride stems from. You have the same pride in Black America. Also, a lot of Nigerians are heading back, even part-time, to build and even retire lol.

You're making a lot of assumptions based on whatever beefs you're having personally within the US.

Youre making one hell of an assumption lol. The argument could be made that corruption is rampant over there due to colonialism.
It’s so embedded within culture now, that it is not uncommon at all to hear “wait your turn”. As in when and if you get to a position of power, its only right that you steal too, rather than actually change what’s going on.