You made a whole range of assumptions in the post you made and you're not even from the culture so what knowledge are you talking from? Corruption there is the same political corruption you have globally. You have countries in Asia where the top brass are living in luxury and stealing money from the country while the country burns e.g. Sri Lanka. There's insane amounts of corruption in the US as well, corruption isn't something unique to Nigeria or Africa as a whole lol.

nigga I lived in Nigeria for 3 years, and I visit bi-annually.

I never made the assumption that only Nigeria has these issues, I’m just focusing on Nigeria because of Acho, and because I’m Nigerian

My bad, wasn't clear why you were focusing just on Nigeria initially, honestly just read like you had a bone to pick which felt odd lol. Extrapolating out I don't think issues between diasporas is a uniquely black/African thing either, you'll find similar things in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East for certain - though in some of those territories there's real blood being shed.

Yea there’s a growing trend of negros in America that believe they’re indigenous to America with no ancestors or connection to Africa.

I wouldn't say no connection to Africa nor a growing trend, in Michigan we spoke our about native ancestors fairly frequently. Conveniently the out of Africa theory, the Smithsonian, race, the Vatican were all either created by or taken over by racists and hold large chunks about the Old World. We just don't learn enough about the Moors

Doesn't really make sense for there to be melanated people's indigenous to every continent except the Americas. And actually a Doctrine of Discover was put in play from the Pope in the 1400s that lead to the enslavement of Africans and Americans

There was never unity in the diaspora, we are parts of different tribes that had different customs, beliefs, and migratory patterns (shout to the Dogons). We were here before the 1400s and I personally believe if you got 5-10 generations born in the same place, y'all from there

It just doesn't line up with Columbus coming over and meeting copper colored American Indians with gold tipped spears in 1492, while he's being guided by Moors as the Moors lose their last stronghold in 1492. For some reason we hear about Darwin, Hermes Trismegistus, and all them other niggas while there was an order here already

Brother the fact that he's proclaiming himself Nigerian is out of extreme trauma. Nigeria was created by the British and not even that long ago. I have ancestors that were "American" before his were Nigerian.

Van usually a police adjacent type of nigga, but he not too far off on bro. He talking down on niggas like his situation is any better

This the type s*** I’m talking about, who the hell told black Americans akata means ni$&er??

tbh i don't exactly get where the van guy is coming from

f*** white people, f*** racism and all that. I get being upset at that

but how are u gonna get mad at an african dude for saying that his history and perspective are different from urs. like that's just a fact, he does have a different history, and that does mean he's got a different perspective. Dude wasn't being haughty about it or anything either, he was just pointing it out.

yeah exactly, it's not like if acho didn't point it out, the difference in perspectives wouldn't exist. he'd still be an "other", just unaware of it (which is probably worse than pointing it out)

Nothing to do with the diaspora, just someone who is angry and didn't want a fruitful conversation

nah that’s not true at all lmao

I’d say it is. I see a lot of young Africans talking and acting in American culture and expressing genuine feelings of brotherhood with black people in America. Of course there are also young Africans who look down on them but those Africans also have deep seated ethnic tensions with everyone else

Also I’m not even saying it’s all good now or anything but the older Africans have genuine contempt for African Americans I just don’t see in the younger generation

well your anecdotes don’t mean much to me personally not gonna lie

black Americans have felt holier than thou and superior to African Americans for centuries, they pander to white people and make sure to make themselves distinct from African Americans because being an African American comes with negative connotations to it, so they attempt to “not like the other girls” themselves when in actuality it’s just coonery

if you want to live in some sort of utopic bubble where African Americans and other black people are singing Kumbaya around a campfire and there’s no sort of tension, subtle racism, or complexes, be my guest

Damn you blacks really hate each other huh?

Gotta get on those #pozzyvibes lads

Idk why this is so hard to understand. It’s not good now, it was just worse before, same way getting stabbed in the leg is better than getting your leg cut off. I’ve said that a lot of young Africans (maybe most) still don’t like African Americans, but when it comes to the older generation that numbers close to 100 percent. This thread is specifically about if the divide is growing, not if there is one. The divide can be big now but trust it used to be even bigger in the past

A lot of ADOS/African/West Indian people irl otherize me the second they find out I’m Dominican even though I’m brown skinned and have 4c hair

It is tho lol

The division between Black Americans itself is troublesome
Low trust between each other and with African immigrants slowly but surely becoming wealthier then their American counterparts only make things worse

Black people being united has never been a thing and will never be a thing.

Just like the Chinese don't f*** with the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Thais, Koreans, etc.

It's the same within the "black community". Haitians don't f*** with "Africans". Africans themselves have beef between themselves and look down upon people from the Caribean and Afro-Americans. There is simply no unity.

Hell within countries in Africa there are massive racial and cultural divides (Guinea)

Nigerians act like that because of British colonialism. Think about it, Nigeria only became a country only like a 100 years ago. Where would all this patriotism come from?

Patriotism comes from the fact that Nigerian identity comes from more than "British Colonialism"? Yoruba, Igbos, Hausa, Fulani etc aren't some small ethnic groups that had no sense of self or identity before white people appeared on their shores

You misinterpret what I'm saying, but you're on to what I'm talking about.

Tribalism and patriotism are two different things, non so called Nigerians won't refer to that group as their tribe but their "nation"

That’s true
I think that gets to something else that was at play in the initial dispute between Acho and Van
Even if African peoples have been affected by colonialism in different but comparable ways, an immigrant has less history with white Americans that will cloud them with a particular instinctive distrust
So it makes sense to me Acho is saying that yeah in the American context he wasn’t raised as part of the American racial caste system so he doesn’t possess that baggage (even if in another context he would feel his own baggage more acutely than an American)

I can agree that was their argument, I didn't listen to it all because I think they're both understudied and come from extremely bias media backgrounds.

And I'll take what you introduced in being that they don't have relations with White Americans and I think that adds to the disdain to so called Black Americans because of the illusion of the American Dream

Sidenote: I think there needs to be a thread on here where those who have knowledge on the diaspora can post and exchange ideas in a healthy way. This sites culture of trolling and virtue signaling is getting outta hand