Fulci Burnett

4y

compared to the movie, the series was an abomination.

MyLeftBrain

4y

I strongly disagree, the movie peaked with intro with Bob Dylan

Fulci Burnett

4y

the show peaked after the first 3-4 episodes then it doesn't know what to do with itself and any of the ideas that were being explored in the beginning. It all boils down to racism is bad and evil.

turning watchmen into neo-liberal propogonda is the worst possible route you could've taken the source material in.

stingray

4y

Acting like it wasn’t a neoliberal agenda from the get go

Fulci Burnett

4y

it was but you couldn't tell what direction the show as going in the first few episodes.

MyLeftBrain

4y

I strongly disagree, the movie peaked with intro with Bob Dylan

stingray

4y

Im talking about watchmen the comics book

CaptainMarvelous

4y

this is where I'm at. The movie doesn't get what it's adapting, where the show has advantage of trying something new with similar ideas even if it fumbles the end.

Fulci Burnett

4y

to say the movie doesn't get the source material but the show does is laughable tbh

stingray

4y

Im talking about watchmen the comics book

CaptainMarvelous

4y

changing doc Manhattan to be the one who takes the blame alone ruins the whole plot

Fulci Burnett

4y

Disagree with the graphic novel having a neo-liberal agenda. Alan Moore wasn't a liberal.

Fulci Burnett

4y

compared to the movie, the series was an abomination.

Fulci Burnett

4y

changing Dr. Manhattan into someone who just randomly decides to fall in love with a black woman and transfer his powers to her alone ruins the plot.

Removing all the moral complexities of the graphic novel just to say racism is bad ruins the plot.

Trying to make Watchmen a pro black show while at the same time making the main black character a cop ruins the plot.

Using Black trauma to rebrand Watchmen as series for woke Twitter ruins the plot.

Maybe the show would’ve worked better if it hadn’t been for Lindelof being such a s*** writer and if the writer’s room wasn’t filled with cacs & people who never read the graphic novel it could’ve been great.

Einfinet

4y

Watched this over thanksgiving break. I thought the ending was a little melodramatic with who gets treated as good vs bad (maybe worthy vs unworthy hero is better phrasing) and sorta went against the ethos of the universe. Like, there are plenty of things this series changed that I thought was great, but the most essential thing about Watchmen is the grey morality of its characters. In this show, there are pretty clear good and bad guys. The only confusion is through plot reveals which keep you on your toes, but overall there’s not a lot of room to debate which characters seemed to be on the most moral footing.

Which all that being said, and it is a big issue I think, I still quite enjoyed the show. Episodes 4-8ish were all straight fire and the storytelling itself was phenomenal. I just wish the ethics had more complexity

dadye

4y

f***ing nerds man, go get some p****

CaptainMarvelous

4y

A lot to respond here. Time to push up my glasses and go "well actually" here...

ahem

I guess the biggest is any tackling of race or something political being for woke points on twitter is the biggest issue? Like the original work was about it's current day issues, and using that as a setting for "grounded superheroes" (aka f***ed up people needing power fantasies fulfilled). So what is a modern day issue that can mirrors the theme of people with power often being f***ed up and never being truly held responsible and how they are not the ideals we say they are? I'd say cops fit that pretty damn well and give the story a good place to jump off of as a work not continuing the original (cause that doesn't truly need to exist) but living in it's world. Hell, the original's only hint towards a sequel is Rorschach's journal being given off to a neo-nazi news organization. That was only story beat for sequel to really play off of, and if going by the world we live in, race surely would play into that.

Making the protagonist a black woman who was also a former cop I think makes a unique perspective to look into this world through, because she has both sides, and isn't "pure" in her actions. I don't really think the show uses her for procopganda, though honestly could be missing some people problems.

Dr. Manhattan falls in love, which has shown to be able to be able to do, and makes the choice that with her lineage and her life she'd know what to do with it more then he ever did. I think this is where some heavy-sided bits of the Caucasian in charge comes through, and while I get the point I'm not 100% with how it went down in story. Apparently the writing crew were mainly people of varied backgrounds, but really my issue with it is it wraps up the show TOO nicely.

As for moral complexities, I think the show has enough that it's comparable to the book itself. I do wish the cop vs. race war was just an made up war that the higher up cops truly didn't car for, and was used purely for corporate gain like was hinted early on. There was a switch on that which just simplified things, but I think the original hints in the storyline mirror a deeper more horrific element of how big business plays into cops vs. the people they protect that goes on today.

My takes, of course.

dadye

4y

f***ing nerds man, go get some p****