They have a shortage of doctors actually because most are exported to other countries

Doctors per capita figure just tells you how many Cuban citizens are doctors -- not where they practice

You love to see it

I wish them the best.

As of right now the only people protesting "communism" are right wingers in twitter

Shows the hypocrisy. People went to the streets due to lack of medicine and increase of deaths from covid and republicans used it as an opportunity to benefit their agenda.

Also we are not gonna act like the Cuban government didnt downplay the protests using the same "communism" card. Made people go to the street as a counter protest to "defend the revolution"

This is complete BS, we do not need to justify it.

Didn't realize this UN General Assembly vote was 3 weeks ago...

A total of 184 countries on Wednesday voted in favour of a resolution to demand the end of the US economic blockade on Cuba, for the 29th year in a row, with the United States and Israel voting against.

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Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez told the General Assembly that sanctions had made it harder for Cuba to acquire medical equipment needed to develop its own COVID-19 vaccines and for other uses as well as equipment for food production.

Very interesting timing okay. And now there are supposed protests against the very same issues... with U.S politicians and its President claiming they "stand with the people of Cuba" yeah mhm...

went to cuba like 6 years ago with my family

it was dope but that s*** was the most north korea-esque government guided "everything is perfect here" tour i'd ever seen

Fr, the sanctions are 100% the main problem in Cuba, regardless if the government is corrupt or not.

We are not gonna act like the US sanctions are justified, they are put purposely to destroy the country.

It’s so fake man

It's literally two wrongs don't make a right, and everyone in the US is slowly falling to the claim of having the US sending help to Cuba

Try to get an Airbnb next time. I went in 2017 and didn’t have any guides.

Communism vs capitalism online debates are the dumbest s*** ever. Debating culture in general is dumb as s***. Please go out and start working towards change instead of arguing about this s*** endlesslt.

Am j supposed to trust KTT over Rueters whose reporting this

yeah im bout to join a socialist politic activism group this year with how s*** going lol

Watch what you post online

Politics section

Stop arguing

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I mean, partially.

If you take media outlets 100% seriously you're just misinformed at this point, there's been countless of cases of "inventing reality" (to quote parenti) ..

Just critically think. Engage, look at what people are saying on both sides. Realize there's been some weird astroturfing on twitter, realize there have been misinformation (e.g. posting fake pics of the protests), realize that color revolutions are a real pattern.

On the other side, realize there are some folks protesting in Cuba, and they may have valid critiques

I have no basis to take KTT seriously that this is a CIA operation or completely orchestrated. There's no real evidence of that. The US doesn't have to do anything to make the protests happen besides the embargos. Covid just pushed the Jenga tower over after decades of damage done by embargo + bad policy on Cuba's part too.

Rueters simply says these protest are about shortages of food, medicine, and governmental restrictions

No more no less

ITT people are using this to spin whether or not people are.protesting 'communism' which isn't even the point or what the most protesters care about. At the same people are coming in to defend communism and even discredit the protestors themselves which is disgraceful

A discussion on what caused the problems leading to these protests is how this should be framed.

Avocate the end of the embargo on Cuba but don't try to paint Cuba as a happy place in the meantime to defend Socialism. Cubans don't care about ideology as much as the reality of their current situation.

Again you can say this is the US fault but point is Cubans voices matter and that's not what they're focusing on the most

This is only tangentially related but when people say sanctioned countries are proof of whatever governmental system not working, in reality i feel like this is cognitive dissonance no matter who's debating it because countries doing poorly under sanctions is really proof in the most literal sense of why pure capitalism on a mass economic scale doesn't work.

If sanctions truly "work" then the only real reason is that it's because capitalism is monopolistic in nature somewhat inherently...if the biggest entity excluding a smaller entity from access to trade (no less resources derivative of said trade but the concept of trade itself) results in a failing system, then it really shows that there's an inherent flaw with a system under which mass self-dependency isn't completely possible. But if sanctions don't "work" then there's no reason to do them, which then makes the entire thought exercise redundant, because if you belief the beliefs of said government are weak you wouldn't need to suppress them to begin with...

However...yeah on the other end, if a country also can't survive with sanctions, there is somewhat of a degree to which it's a negative mark against the ruling ideology of said country in that if a country can't be self-sufficient without access to resources/relationships derivative of capitalism elsewhere...then yeah thats a debatable issue too. Of course this isn't really a mark against socialism/whatever specifically since like - there's been self-sufficient non-capitalist countries (Libya is a good example) - but its definitely something in terms of debating effectiveness of ruling classes

Good summary of the thread

For what it's worth, cuba being a communist state is not the only reason for the sanctions. The US just doesn't allow neighboring countries to invite or be particularly close with an US enemy per the Monroe Doctrine which is what Cuba did.

It's why America is currently working w Vietnam and China even if they still call themselves communist.

Like I said it's not really about the ideology behind the governments, it's more about the kinda relationship between entities. You're right from a US self-interest level it makes sense from the policy perspective of US ruling class, but what I'm saying is that to validate the idea that sanctions work to begin with you do have to kind of admit capitalism is flawed regardless for reasons the US won't even really admit in policy domestically

Capitalism doesn't account for assymetric leverage at a global geopolitical scale

I don't think its possible for any ideology to honestly and that's not a defense of capitalism