I’m saying if they heard it and then heard juice and then had to choose between the two. Juice would win. He would win against a lot of 90s rappers.

Ktt can’t understand this concept either because Juice was past their era or they think all new music is mid

It's all good we have Rx Papi

Peep wasn’t gonna be in no Big 3 b.

X is under the future tree. He had his own style of artistry but traditional hip hop consumers not buying in like that for him. Also his controversy gets ignored a lot here. A large fraction of people was not rocking with him and would’ve continued to not rock with him.

He’s not? Is it not drill music that these niggas making.

My bad. You got it

Juice was hella talented, even I can say that. I appreciate new and old alike, but if it’s the music we’re talking about…groups like Tribe and Delasoul perfected the art of albums, something new rappers often can’t do because they treat their fanbase like a fast food business and care about sales too much.

Juice was popular but he wasn't doing anything new. I don't think he would have innovated all that much.

X tho, man...

say what u want abt him but X seriously had a movement going on that was changing the hip hop landscape. Him dying seriously derailed that.

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The only people calling it stagnant are those who want to see it regress into 2013-2016 sound

its not that pac and big dying was less impactful i think, but i agree with what you were trying to say

i would put it as that the deaths of big and pac had a positive impact - not positive as in good or that it's good that they died, rather that rappers took their reactions to the death and actively turned it into artistic action by channeling it into either continuing Pac and Big's particular gangsta aesthetic and styles (as in Jay) OR in creating counter-aesthetics (like Black Star).

their murders were not just an ending but a new beginning that shaped everything about at least the next 5-10 years of hip hop. they became martyrs to rally around, and still are to this day

whereas when X and Juice died, the entire scene they were at the heads of just kind of deflated, like all the air being let out of a balloon. there was not really a huge artistic reaction, just depressed apathy.

it was a thing

in line with the post i just made i'd honestly say that big and pac probably had a bigger impact on hip-hop as martyrs than any living rapper could have had

and this is because even if it's irrational or ahistorical, people are never going to stop romanticizing the tragedy and promise of great, dead men

I don't really care for some of their music but this is really sad to me. We lost a good chunk of rappers, they died so young.

stop

Why we don't laugh at death and cry at birth

Why we don’t die at birth and live at death?

i just know x concerts smelled like cigarettes and sweat

Don’t think things would have changed dramatically at all because of them.

The Trench Coat Mafia headass big 3

we’re blessed to have kendrick, cole and drake as the “big 3” if our next options include uzi

Hip-hop is stagnant cus y’all flock to all the garbage ass fast food rap and call them GOATS

I’m sorry, you can like them dudes but their music was trash and they weren’t gonna be some top tier rappers

Hip Hop is so stagnant because of the quick-hits nature of the market

This conversation has happened hundreds of times on KTT. The era of eras is over. Just poppy tiktok bullshit forever after

Respectably.. this ain’t true

X maybe but juice wasn’t about to change the game again, I’m sorry