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well if you want black people participating in the arts unless work towards a bigger push towards the black community being in these positions the companies will be majority white/jewish they are way less so than they used to be and without playing into that system you are barring black people from being successful in the arts. Hip hop has done enough to be valued higher than this reductionist view

It’s not ridiculous. Because leftism isn’t the same as being left wing. Marxist ideology is not the basis of being left wing it’s the basis of LEFTISM. Left wing is quite a broad category of things. A liberal is left wing. There are left wing people that are capitalist or have no problem with capitalism. LeftISM is its own movement with its own ideas. You can be left or right wing in your ideas, and you can have a combination of them, that go either slightly left wing or radically left wing. You are on the more radical side of the left wing, aka a leftist. Not everyone on that spectrum is there

USA produces all the most relevant and a lot of the highest quality art and you are on a board where 95% of the art discussed is from the US and probably most of your posts are about American artists. USA situation is f***ed rn but in terms of art? No it’s still very valuable. The other big powerhouses of the world aren’t gonna value black voices much.

Weird ass threads making wild ass accusations and generalizing the culture of Hip Hop. This truly is KTT

Not really.

We're more so Left leaning moderates.

is it not reductive to say success in art is only through industry?

Then you would preach that we have to shift away from major labels as a whole. But if the rest of the artform is backed by industry and yours suddenly loses all of it, and it’s the main form of black art, what are you essentially doing there? You’re nuking black art to the underground.

Also, that shift is already happening. You can preach for music in general to not be so reliant on labels, but yea they r losing their share and independent s*** is bigger than ever and you see the most success of independent artists in hip hop. That opens a whole other can of worms but it’s a fun convo to have and is way better than just suggesting we nuke hip hop as a genre.

Personally, I don’t think it’s possible for those hierarchies and systems not to exist for music. We will never have everyone be independent and lowkey idek if we would be better off that way. S*** has to get promoted, being independent is hard, and artists should be able to have the option to just create. But that’s my opinion

decentralizing hip hop as the main black art would not be bad tbh. And important cultural infrastructure can be developed underground, not unlike railroads. I don’t think there has been a shift to independent music but that’s besides the point - I include the independent music industry as part of the music industry.

sidebar: I’d argue memes are the main american art, but that’s another discussion

i dont think so, and thats an incredibly unrealistic standard. ilove hip hop. i dont know why u would be on a hip hop board talking about it if you dont love it. it can be theoretically done to have them "unlike railroads" but yes it would be underground, and realistically it wont be done no one has the plans for it and i dont think i would even like that and i dont think most artist would like that either. when i say independant, i mean people operating without a music label. but theres a reason labels exist, and theres pros and cons. im a fan of music, i wouldnt want 0 music industry. you lack resources and a lot goes on the artist including stress and poverty without any industry to back it.

Also it is the main expression of black art and it is the only one that was created and has been majority black for all its history and still has had great impact overall crossing over into other arts. im not saying u make something else "the main black art" you dont just DO that u would have to create a new genre. which is not needed. because hip hop is amazing.
if you nuke hip hop, you are essentially drowning a million black voices, jobs, cultural influence, and allowing it to be swallowed by white pop stars and s*** which has a bad cultural influence.

OH LMFAOOO U 1 OF THOSE NIGGA SMDFTB

F*** OuttA Here b**** ass nigga

siding with the capitalist white supremacist system

Literally the only way to survive in this country we know yo p**** ass aint post this off a humanly made phone or laptop

dont really agree with OP because what exactly are we comparing it to

wouldn't really say other music is better in this regard

wait it all makes sense now

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this is nonsense, liberalism is explicitly not left-wing. it isn't 1832.

which form of liberalism? modern american liberals are usually left wing or left leaning brother

Wait what’s wrong with OP saying he’s that?

hes one of those dr umar typa guys those guys have a bunch of fine ideas but also a bunch of harmful and silly ones

black capitalism in itself is already anti-establishment, and while i do agree it embraces some right wing ideas it also encourages a lot of left wing ideas, so instead of grouping every rapper together because they make pop music talking bout popular things (brands, parties, d****, etc) and for every Baby in the world there’s a Mavi, u just have to look for it if that’s what u want to engage with

With the rise of right wing gen z I don’t know if that first part is entirely true

no they are not

I am palestinian my guy, most "progressive liberals" in the US have hitlerian politics when you chip away at the veneer. "the left" has been anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism since world war I. american social democrats are at best parasites on the left.

youtube.com/watch?v=m7oqGhmEZB0?si=C38SsPXK-0XITCnf

this is malcolm, 60 years ago. liberals have always been on the right.

i am also palestinian my guy someone can be left wing and pro israel, you can be left wing and pro israel, its not like left wing = good and right wing = bad.
Left wing people are not necessarily anti capitalist. they have nothing to do with each other. LEFTists aka what people call the LEFT is a name for a specific section of the left wing. whether you think they are parasites or not, they are still left wing or left leaning.