Andre Jaquet

1y

i dont think so, and thats an incredibly unrealistic standard. ilove hip hop. i dont know why u would be on a hip hop board talking about it if you dont love it. it can be theoretically done to have them "unlike railroads" but yes it would be underground, and realistically it wont be done no one has the plans for it and i dont think i would even like that and i dont think most artist would like that either. when i say independant, i mean people operating without a music label. but theres a reason labels exist, and theres pros and cons. im a fan of music, i wouldnt want 0 music industry. you lack resources and a lot goes on the artist including stress and poverty without any industry to back it.

Also it is the main expression of black art and it is the only one that was created and has been majority black for all its history and still has had great impact overall crossing over into other arts. im not saying u make something else "the main black art" you dont just DO that u would have to create a new genre. which is not needed. because hip hop is amazing.
if you nuke hip hop, you are essentially drowning a million black voices, jobs, cultural influence, and allowing it to be swallowed by white pop stars and s*** which has a bad cultural influence.

snowboyrari

1y

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m7oqGhmEZB0?si=C38SsPXK-0XITCnf

this is malcolm, 60 years ago. liberals have always been on the right.

Free YoungBoy

1y

Wait what’s wrong with OP saying he’s that?

Free YoungBoy

1y

Wait what’s wrong with OP saying he’s that?

Valentine

1y

eh, i disagree.

you’re saying someone selling CDs out of their trunk and hosting block parties, fundamentally displayed a capitalist individualism mindset? because this only became the case when white labels got involved, from my understanding. prior to, the artists were just hustling in their local cities and wherever else they could get support like college towns or like i said, community led parties and MC/DJ sets.

you’re saying hiphop is fundamentally built upon men displaying prejudice against women? another thing i have to disagree with. hiphop is like multiple trees all meeting in the middle and branching off into their own sectors. I don’t think we can just place one definitive explanation outside of it being a lyrical display over instrumental about one’s perspective on a topic. from here it’s given us so many iterations, you can’t simply say it’s fundamentally that unless you have clear examples of it being that throughout its history, where it’ll be pretty easy to find the opposite happening probably more often.

brand worship? eh, idk. all them niggas was wearing brands we don’t even really wear today, it was just the popular fashion of the time but everyone had their own unique style. okay, they made niggas like Ralph Lauren rich, but Kanye got to $6B valuation and that’s off a pretty avant grande style of rap. and everyone was trying to buy it cause it was “high fashion” at an affordable price, so idk how that’s fundamentally right wing. and through it didn’t really display a right wing observation of women, which would be prejudice, but rather a struggle for love. which is something many artists displayed during the last 2 decades of hiphop. but idk what point brand worship has to do with right wing so idek how to properly argue this one

but yea, hiphop can’t be fundamentally built on political definitions. that’s conflating to make a point that don’t really make sense, in my opinion.

Andre Jaquet

1y

"on the right" doesnt = on the bad side

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1y

black capitalism in itself is already anti-establishment, and while i do agree it embraces some right wing ideas it also encourages a lot of left wing ideas, so instead of grouping every rapper together because they make pop music talking bout popular things (brands, parties, d****, etc) and for every Baby in the world there’s a Mavi, u just have to look for it if that’s what u want to engage with

insertcoolnamehere

1y

Jazz would heavily disagree with your last paragraph.

In fact most genres you’d associate with whiteness was started by black people.

Here’s a right wing song by political rapper yasiin bey.

The reason why @op a b**** cause he taking all nuance out the equation. If the Coup. dead prez, yasiin bey, noname are right wing just for participating in the capitalistic system (WE ALL GOT TO PARTICIPATE IN TO STAY ALIVE) then b**** nigga why tf you call yourself a socialist then?

yelling selling’s a sin
well so is telling young men that selling is a sin if you don’t offer new ways to win

This condescending rhetoric you have is exactly why the leftists/radicals never have enough #s to relate or MEET NIGGAS WHERE THEY AT.

For a bunch of ppl that look up to Fred Hampton, yall aint learn s*** about how his ability to speak to and relate to niggas and crackers brought the rainbow coalition I swear every radical space i been to got some holier than thou ass niggas.

Now you saying rap should just die? Good luck ranking in more members with that pitch bro

insertcoolnamehere

1y

This thread just a honeypot of bad ideas

insertcoolnamehere

1y

Because that’ s*** been a unnecessary divide starter that dont got nothin to do with nothin dawg

snowboyrari

1y

did you not watch the video

Andre Jaquet

1y

ur spitting for most of this
jazz yes ik i just meant in the modern day right. its not like jazz is coming back, im aware most of them are black originally they didnt stay that way tho sadly.

insertcoolnamehere

1y

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Neither did hip hop (crazy legs, og latino bboy legend from nyc and friggin Madonna)

Andre Jaquet

1y

i am also palestinian my guy someone can be left wing and pro israel, you can be left wing and pro israel, its not like left wing = good and right wing = bad.
Left wing people are not necessarily anti capitalist. they have nothing to do with each other. LEFTists aka what people call the LEFT is a name for a specific section of the left wing. whether you think they are parasites or not, they are still left wing or left leaning.

beflygelt

1y

I'm realizing US "wings" are also just fundamentally skewed to the right lmfao bc what you're saying is straight up illogical af

like in Germany we have ultra-left pro-Israel "anti-fascists" but that's bc our media is f***ed w propaganday, ideologically, logically, there's absolutely no way u can reconcile anti-fascism and defending anything Israel does rn

Andre Jaquet

1y

the image was hotlinked
but uhh there r white people in it but its still always been majority black for most of history and has not become associated with whiteness

Andre Jaquet

1y

malcom doesnt say anything there about whether they r left leaning or on the left he just says what he thinks of white liberal's impact on black people

insertcoolnamehere

1y

White ppl became the majority audience have you seen the crowds?

The bigger you blow up is directly correlated with how comfortable/amused you make white ppl feel

yes. All these successful street/drill rappers are just amusement ans comfort to folks. When you can make a tiktok dance to a song where the chorus is saying names of dead black kids, that is comfortability.

snowboyrari

1y

hes saying liberalism is a trap. malcolm was explicitly against the terms set by american liberals in what was "acceptable discourse".

Andre Jaquet

1y

i am also palestinian my guy someone can be left wing and pro israel, you can be left wing and pro israel, its not like left wing = good and right wing = bad.
Left wing people are not necessarily anti capitalist. they have nothing to do with each other. LEFTists aka what people call the LEFT is a name for a specific section of the left wing. whether you think they are parasites or not, they are still left wing or left leaning.

snowboyrari

1y

you can not be "left-wing" and pro-israel. do you think being on the left is just when you make the claim to be? that's cute ig.

insertcoolnamehere

1y

black capitalism in itself is already anti-establishment

Wait huh?