May 11, 2023·1 reply
provider 4 uthis site been ran outta s*** to talk about, which is crazy lol
yeah this site been dry as s***
all the entertainment is basically in L&A now (which is also pretty dead)
May 11, 2023·edited·1 replyX7JQ9L2MF4A8Zhe’s done a lot for a lot of diff artists but he hasn’t found a new superstar to carry his torch (like Wayne, Jay etc. did) is the overarching point
But that has never been his focus, though. That's my point. Drake wants to bring niggas up and have them do their thing by giving them looks but when has he ever indicated that he wants to ''pass the torch''? He still very much enjoys being the #1 nigga in the game. And really, think about, who in the world do you think could come even remotely close to matching the kind of dominance Drake has had?
Drake had to outdo niggas like Wayne. Kanye, Hov, T.I. and every other nigga running things in mainstream rap when he broke out. That's damn near impossible but he somehow did it.
These new rappers are even scared to try because they look at all Drake has done and the hold he still has on the game and they know trying to match/outdo that is useless and I can't blame them because those who have tried have fizzled out in 1-3 years so they all know how hard it is to remain dominant in this s***.
Notice how there aren't any niggas in the mainstream rap space making a valid claim for the throne the way Drake did? These new rappers know it's simpler for them to just do their little raps, make their money and take care of their families and let Drake keep doing his thing and it's very understandable.
- May 11, 2023X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z
wouldn’t Cole’s be JID and Kendrick’s essentially be Keem per se?
the style of music they make isn’t conducive to stardom (well save Keem i guess) but i think they at least gave it a shot
Yeah, but the examples you listed are all niggas whose proteges did s*** mainstream-wise and it's hard to find talented rappers who can really spit but also have mainstream appeal, that's what I'm saying. Cole's music also isn't conducive for the mainstream and the same can be said for Kendrick's music till like DAMN yet they somehow managed to breakthrough.
May 11, 2023thegreatdivineBut my point still stands. Drake has never had the mindset of finding some sort of protege. He's always been focused on himself and elevating other people around him in the ways he can and his collabs have done wonders for people's careers. Who is Cole or Kendrick's protege? Niggas in here giving them cop outs because they're not ''the face of the game'' but Drake can say he's been busing running s*** for 15 years and has never taken a break while they've both taken loads of breaks. Why didn't they use that time to find and push their own proteges? Not to mention neither of them have put on ANYONE the way Drake has. Some of you just wanna talk s***.
What ur were responding to was kinda a whatever post so idk why I jumped in. U got it tho
May 11, 2023·1 replythegreatdivine· editedBut that has never been his focus, though. That's my point. Drake wants to bring niggas up and have them do their thing by giving them looks but when has he ever indicated that he wants to ''pass the torch''? He still very much enjoys being the #1 nigga in the game. And really, think about, who in the world do you think could come even remotely close to matching the kind of dominance Drake has had?
Drake had to outdo niggas like Wayne. Kanye, Hov, T.I. and every other nigga running things in mainstream rap when he broke out. That's damn near impossible but he somehow did it.
These new rappers are even scared to try because they look at all Drake has done and the hold he still has on the game and they know trying to match/outdo that is useless and I can't blame them because those who have tried have fizzled out in 1-3 years so they all know how hard it is to remain dominant in this s***.
Notice how there aren't any niggas in the mainstream rap space making a valid claim for the throne the way Drake did? These new rappers know it's simpler for them to just do their little raps, make their money and take care of their families and let Drake keep doing his thing and it's very understandable.
wth are you even saying here
- May 11, 2023·1 replyhumey
wth are you even saying here
If you can read, it's not hard to comprehend.
- May 11, 2023·2 repliesthegreatdivine
If you can read, it's not hard to comprehend.
you’re being too defensive about this honestly it’s not necessarily his responsibility to be that guy, saying people are afraid to try is a massive cop out though
- May 11, 2023·2 replieshumey
you’re being too defensive about this honestly it’s not necessarily his responsibility to be that guy, saying people are afraid to try is a massive cop out though
nah she has a point there tbh, who out of this current talent pool has the ability to genuinely take Drake’s mantle? Yeat? there’s essentially no competition lmao
no one out of this current gen really cares about the craft or the art form enough to even really give it a shot, and it’s even moreso with how decentralized music has become in general
- May 11, 2023·1 replyhumey
you’re being too defensive about this honestly it’s not necessarily his responsibility to be that guy, saying people are afraid to try is a massive cop out though
But they are. At the start of this decade, we had Lil Baby, DaBaby, Megan Thee Stallion, Roddy Ricch as some of the names who were making waves in mainstream rap and people were holding out hope as the ones who could lead the new generation of rap stars. All those names are washed out now. Lil Baby is doing the best out of them but I don't think anyone sees him as the one to takeover anymore because it's clear he don't got it like that.
Who else is trying? Jack Harlow will score hits here and there but he won't ever be that #1 guy either. Who else? Just think about it and when I say ''scared to try'', I mean scared to make a valid claim to be the #1 figure in mainstream rap and then going out there and doing it. That's exactly what Drake did. Drake said ''I'm just feeling like the throne is for the taking, watch me take it'', a direct shot at Hov/Wayne at the twilight of their mainstream powers and then went on to do just that. No one in this generation is moving with that kind of audacity and I don't mean just rapping about running s*** while actually not running anything. They're all scared and I can't blame them.
- May 11, 2023X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z
nah she has a point there tbh, who out of this current talent pool has the ability to genuinely take Drake’s mantle? Yeat? there’s essentially no competition lmao
no one out of this current gen really cares about the craft or the art form enough to even really give it a shot, and it’s even moreso with how decentralized music has become in general
Yes, that plays a huge part it in but I also feel like one thing Cole, Kendrick and Drake share is this intense love for the game that extends beyond any kind of success they were ever going to achieve. Drake was/is a real student of the game and you can see how he gives credit to those who came before him even now. Drake still thanks Wayne like he just got signed last week and shows love to any OG he can.
Not saying there aren't new rappers who don't know their rap history but I feel like the ones who could make an impact in the mainstream space don't really know or care that much. Many of them are rapping only because they love the lifestyle and wanna make some money, not because they love the artform and many of them lack the kind of hunger and don't have to deal with the kind of burden of proof Drake, Cole and Kendrick had to deal with.
- May 11, 2023X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z
nah she has a point there tbh, who out of this current talent pool has the ability to genuinely take Drake’s mantle? Yeat? there’s essentially no competition lmao
no one out of this current gen really cares about the craft or the art form enough to even really give it a shot, and it’s even moreso with how decentralized music has become in general
well these guys are more receptive to thug & future & it’s not just cause it’s “easy to make” either, they are more compelled by that, than, not just drake but these other supposed cultural top dogs
- May 11, 2023thegreatdivine
But they are. At the start of this decade, we had Lil Baby, DaBaby, Megan Thee Stallion, Roddy Ricch as some of the names who were making waves in mainstream rap and people were holding out hope as the ones who could lead the new generation of rap stars. All those names are washed out now. Lil Baby is doing the best out of them but I don't think anyone sees him as the one to takeover anymore because it's clear he don't got it like that.
Who else is trying? Jack Harlow will score hits here and there but he won't ever be that #1 guy either. Who else? Just think about it and when I say ''scared to try'', I mean scared to make a valid claim to be the #1 figure in mainstream rap and then going out there and doing it. That's exactly what Drake did. Drake said ''I'm just feeling like the throne is for the taking, watch me take it'', a direct shot at Hov/Wayne at the twilight of their mainstream powers and then went on to do just that. No one in this generation is moving with that kind of audacity and I don't mean just rapping about running s*** while actually not running anything. They're all scared and I can't blame them.
hmm I don’t see the names these as like huge talents necessarily but I’ll never believe it’s about the pool of talent not being there, it’s maybe the example at the top they’re not inspired by…maybe I’m spoiled by the Ye/Wayne duo but they never had this type of issue
May 11, 2023·1 replyIs this a good thing?
- May 11, 2023·1 replyhttps://twitter.com/TayMasterChef/status/1656300530652663809Oblivion X
Is this a good thing?
nope. it just means he's had no progression in his music. he never evolved. same goes for all the clones
May 11, 2023·2 repliesMaybe it’s KTT that’s dying
May 11, 2023·1 replyPhlegmI think that’s a bit rude lol
I had no clue future put thug on? I must be missing something. In any case thugs actually someone who has put other people on but he kinda put himself on rather than coming from a previously established raper run imprint and stable of artist.
The rest you listed aren’t really as big as them, which is what I said. Sayitainttone is NOT as known as big Sean.are you saying Meg is a wale protege here?Sorry Phlegm. I was having a rough morning, I'm better now
May 11, 2023That selfie is insane my guy
- May 11, 2023
DicherdownDAVE9Notice everybody found a successor instead of this greedy ass nigga found the weeknd and he don't even rap
Hov > kanye > cole
Dre > em > 50 > kendrick
50 > game > banks > buck > yayo
Wayne > drake > nicki
Kanye > big sean > cudi > travis
Ross > meek
EtcWhat star did this nigga create on ovo? This is an honest question
This is also a real thing
Literally almost everyone else in his position found someone else to put in the same position
- May 11, 2023Kanyigga
Sorry Phlegm. I was having a rough morning, I'm better now
It’s all good I just thought it was out of place for what we’re discussing. Granted I could def be slow at times lol but thought I wasn’t in that case.
- May 11, 2023Chuckys Revenge
Thread title should be changed to “RAP” hiphop been dead.
Rap is the commercialized form of hip hop.
Hip hop is social commentary for people who are disenfranchised and don’t often have a voice.
Can you be hip hop rapping about having 100 million dollars regardless of how much your marketed as “down to earth”?
Rap is dying because the audience is maturing but the genre isn’t and the people who make the decisions don’t want you maturing either.
Who is going to buy that Gucci inventory if I don’t keep you insecure?
Keep talking you on to something lol
About the standstill being rooted in the listener maturing beyond the genre
- May 12, 2023ryuH
Maybe it’s KTT that’s dying
- May 12, 2023deleteduser2863
No one could top YEEZUS and that killed the whole genre over the course of the last decade
May 12, 2023·edited·3 repliesOnly on KTT would I see posts arguing that hip hop is lacking star power because its artists are afraid of Drake. Jesus Christ. The broader issues at play are not unique to hip hop and can be seen across numerous mainstream genres.
Think about it for a second. Where are the new stars in western popular music in general? Bad Bunny, maybe, but he isn't a newcomer anymore. Ariana, Lorde, Adele, Taylor, these are all artists that came to prominence years ago and have arguably peaked.
The music landscape, driven by streaming, playlisting and payola has flattened things out to the point where there isn't a meaningful incentive to stand out as a public figure anymore. Music sales come from a sticky song being a constant presence in the charts through streaming and influencers pushing the song on social media.
So honestly, who needs to be "the guy" anymore? Who thinks about music that way when people are increasingly looking backward to previous decades to find music? What's the point in decimating your competition when playing along and securing a feature is your best bet in being playlisted?
People hold hip hop so near and dear to their hearts because of their investment in the culture that they can't see outside of it to larger industry-wide trends. The era of competition, stars, mystique, celebrities feeling galaxies away from their fans, it ended years ago. Hip hop isn't dying out as a creatively relevant cultural force because Drake hasn't been replaced. If it's dying on out on those terms, it's because individual scenes aren't being fostered and creativity isn't being encouraged by the music industry and global economy.
The average artist with a hit gets a few months to upwards of a year or two when they can make a meaningful impact on music. Streaming platforms prioritize the old guard because it's a known quantity. If you had a shot to make it in music and feed your family, what would you do with your 5 minutes? Do your thing, or try to supplant Drake?
It's scary as hell just being alive these days and going into music is a massive financial risk. Only about 0.000001% of all musicians are making any money through streaming. Where is the incentive to stand out and plant innovative ideas in the mainstream when it's so much simpler to get swallowed up by the algorithm?
People are tired. They're tired of the news cycle and the 6ix9ines and Kanye Wests of the world have burned themselves out. Getting along is all anyone feels like doing anymore. I feel like we're all just trying to survive as a society and it makes for a lot of safe music.
May 12, 2023·1 replyNoirOnly on KTT would I see posts arguing that hip hop is lacking star power because its artists are afraid of Drake. Jesus Christ. The broader issues at play are not unique to hip hop and can be seen across numerous mainstream genres.
Think about it for a second. Where are the new stars in western popular music in general? Bad Bunny, maybe, but he isn't a newcomer anymore. Ariana, Lorde, Adele, Taylor, these are all artists that came to prominence years ago and have arguably peaked.
The music landscape, driven by streaming, playlisting and payola has flattened things out to the point where there isn't a meaningful incentive to stand out as a public figure anymore. Music sales come from a sticky song being a constant presence in the charts through streaming and influencers pushing the song on social media.
So honestly, who needs to be "the guy" anymore? Who thinks about music that way when people are increasingly looking backward to previous decades to find music? What's the point in decimating your competition when playing along and securing a feature is your best bet in being playlisted?
People hold hip hop so near and dear to their hearts because of their investment in the culture that they can't see outside of it to larger industry-wide trends. The era of competition, stars, mystique, celebrities feeling galaxies away from their fans, it ended years ago. Hip hop isn't dying out as a creatively relevant cultural force because Drake hasn't been replaced. If it's dying on out on those terms, it's because individual scenes aren't being fostered and creativity isn't being encouraged by the music industry and global economy.
The average artist with a hit gets a few months to upwards of a year or two when they can make a meaningful impact on music. Streaming platforms prioritize the old guard because it's a known quantity. If you had a shot to make it in music and feed your family, what would you do with your 5 minutes? Do your thing, or try to supplant Drake?
It's scary as hell just being alive these days and going into music is a massive financial risk. Only about 0.000001% of all musicians are making any money through streaming. Where is the incentive to stand out and plant innovative ideas in the mainstream when it's so much simpler to get swallowed up by the algorithm?
People are tired. They're tired of the news cycle and the 6ix9ines and Kanye Wests of the world have burned themselves out. Getting along is all anyone feels like doing anymore. I feel like we're all just trying to survive as a society and it makes for a lot of safe music.
ehhhh idk man some of the best music in my country came from big crises. Other scenes like nigerian Afrobeat are rising up in the last few years and the country is not getting better too. Mainstream music is just uninspired and people want recycled sounds. I do agree that captalism and social media hype has taken away pushing real artistry tho
Edit: I think I‘ve misread your point about the financial aspect for artists growth
May 12, 2023provider 4 uthis site been ran outta s*** to talk about, which is crazy lol