Maybe not trash but New York hasn’t been relevant since 50 and the West Coast would be just as irrelevant if it wasn’t for Kendrick
Also for east coast
Pop smoke, dipset, A$AP Rocky lil Uzi vert, ice spice, cardi B, Nicki minaj, meek mill, a boogie wit a hoodie, Joey badass, mac miller, wale, sleepy hallow, sheff G, MIKE, Griselda
Since you didn’t say anything about Midwest that opens a whole lot more
Niggas wanna be Pac and Jay Z not Big
how dare you disrespect rap legend Guerilla Black
Also if we want a convo, let's talk bout how many niggas want to be and are directly, clearly, influenced by Pac including east coast
While the same cannot be the same nowhere near for Big outside of Rick Ross, ASAP Ferg and the few clones Puff dugged up in the 00s - if we want a even realer convo
Keep in mind big is one of the most quoted rappers of all time and his music is embedded into the history and identity of the entire genre
Keep in mind big is one of the most quoted rappers of all time and his music is embedded into the history and identity of the entire genre
So is 2Pac lol
Still, people only want to actually be one over the other and base their whole career off of
So is 2Pac lol
Still, people only want to actually be one over the other and base their whole career off of
Biggie was a tremendous artist and talent, not an icon on the level of Pac. Pac was and for some still is the face of rap. Of course the aspiration discussions will favor Pac.
Biggie still made better music while he was alive tho
Biggie was a tremendous artist and talent, not an icon on the level of Pac. Pac was and for some still is the face of rap. Of course the aspiration discussions will favor Pac.
Biggie still made better music while he was alive tho
Too bad only the Tri State agrees, even when they were alive
You listed Kendrick and a bunch of B and C-listers man. And Mac Miller is West Coast now?
2010s YG + Schoolboy Q and then Tyler to this day was outselling all of Atlanta
If you want to start classifying "B-listers" lol
Also if we want a convo, let's talk bout how many niggas want to be and are directly, clearly, influenced by Pac including east coast
While the same cannot be the same nowhere near for Big outside of Rick Ross, ASAP Ferg and the few clones Puff dugged up in the 00s - if we want a even realer convo
I agree with your main point. There is people like Pusha who still cosplay Big a lot tho tbh and quote him a lot. Also consider that when you say people wanna be Jay Z, jay made quoting big a whole sub genre, and wanting to be Jay basically equates to wanting to be Big.
I agree with your main point. There is people like Pusha who still cosplay Big a lot tho tbh and quote him a lot. Also consider that when you say people wanna be Jay Z, jay made quoting big a whole sub genre, and wanting to be Jay basically equates to wanting to be Big.
While Pusha is directly influenced by Pacs actual Rapping
The quoting thing makes no sense because they are both probably the most quoted rappers of all time, literally, and Big does not outweigh it significantly
I agree with Jay as well, who also has his own 2Pac cosplays he pops out every now and then as well - my point was tho for people itt egregiously suggesting Pac has no motion while blatantly lying, that people dont agree with their talltales when they were alive and even in death - from fans to literal other artists
Big is enjoyed n respected a lot, but honestly he has not influenced a lot. There are way more East Rappers way more influencial in sound and style overall
Kinda like the Drake vs Kendrick debates in a way. Even tho I'm way more a Kendrick fan.
Jay Z's first major radio song that went beyond Rap was a 2Pac cosplay remix with Beyonce
Me and my Girlfriend
Biggie was a tremendous artist and talent, not an icon on the level of Pac. Pac was and for some still is the face of rap. Of course the aspiration discussions will favor Pac.
Biggie still made better music while he was alive tho
No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.
Jay Z's first major radio song that went beyond Rap was a 2Pac cosplay remix with Beyonce
Me and my Girlfriend
And his first rap radio hits were all leaching off big’s legacy
And his first rap radio hits were all leaching off big’s legacy
Didn't go beyond till Pac tho which he was trying to to do for so long, and that was just the first major instance
Jay is high-key one of the biggest biters tho, and tried to fuse the essence of both Big n Pac
Pacs style and Bigs rhymes
No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.
NYC specifically Hot97 also did a lot of propaganda against Pac after Big died
That's literally where the "Pac isn't lyrical" narrative started n the blown out Hennessy jokes n s*** started too, even tho Pac was considered lyrical when alive and people like Nas told them they're wrong after Pac died
Then in the 2000s they started saying his catalog has too many "misses" even tho it was beloved alive and still selling like crazy
Then the 2010s they started doing the "people loved him for his spirit, not the music" bullshit
Literally like some Cold War s***
No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.
I just go by my ears, f*** a critic
Biggie had the better flow and pen, and yeah, Ready to Die has top 5 rap album credentials. But I was raised east coast so idk
Idk
But I do know Pacs side quest alone also has
Pour Out a Little Liquor (which was the biggest from it when he was alive iirc)
Bury Me A G
Cradle to the Grave
And the f***in soundtrack classic Str8 Ballin lmao
Y'all already talkin bout Machine Gun Funk and Gimme the Loot which aren't even actual chart hits
But even in that vein we got s*** like If I Die 2nite, Violent, Hail Mary, Can't C Me etc.
I’ll take gimme the loot over every single song u just named
No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.
Ready to die better than any pac album argue wit ya auntie
more consistent, better flows, consistently amazing hooks, every song is amazing
I’ll take gimme the loot over every single song u just named
Personal opinion injected 🚨
No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.
Give me 1 (one) 2pac album as consistent, tight, focused, exceptional, and conceptual as ready to die. One with 0 weak songs (ignoring interludes obviously)