@kollaps For example look how Europeans relate to gypsies aka Romani people and how Americans do. Not the same at all.

ikr capitalism is so great that America itself waste hundreds of millions in edible foods by trashing it and not feeding its 11% food insecure population

race relations across nations with similar demographics are more or less the same

there is racism in spain, france, japan, india against minority groups just like there is in the US

there is considerably less hostility towards minorities worldwide than even 50 years ago

atrocities still happen all over the world especially to ethnic and racial minorities, but for the most part, we as a globe seem to be headed in a positive direction

im not saying every single country is the same as america or has no race issues

Stop replying they haven’t ever engaged in a fruitful way despite all the cool interesting info in this thread

Not trying to learn just trying to argue in bad faith

oh gotcha yea that was bad faith but i think the question almost begged for it

obviously im not saying the us history is the same for the rest of the world im not as stupid as yall think

yes

Lol. Europe has far more immigrant hate in the 2010s than it did in the 2000s for example.

Japan is a homogenous country with barely any foreigners so their view of ethnicity and race is not the same.

No offense but you should think outside of the USA box a bit more. This is your main logical flaw right now.

Alright man. Don't take it personal bro.

how am i arguing in bad faith?

i was at lunch w my father for his birthday so i didnt have time to read 30 page articles or watch youtube videos about the cia or race relations in the soviet union

im responding to as many ppl as i can while trying to be as substantive as one can be and should be on a hip hop forum

be happy ur getting some push back to flesh out ur ideas instead of the marxist circle jerk that these threads tend to become

aii lets agree to disagree then cuz clearly my point is irrelevant to ur philosophy

i personally think its good that the world is becoming more open and accepting of their neighboring cultures and populations, despite plenty of issues still existing

This argument still remains flawed because there’s a lack of account for the currently existing power structure oppressing class consciousness and the collective understanding of socialism

ofc not u one of the few whos debate ive enjoyed itt

thats a good point actually

i mean i COULD say “if socialism was based itd be at the forefront of education yadayadaya” but i get what ur saying

lets see where history takes us

btw who the goddess in ur avy?

Markets are good at determining the price peope are willing to pay for stuff thats it. People gotta understand they can be manipulated pretty easily especially in smaller countries

{Outro: Drake & Kanye }
I forgive you man
Alright
We still getting this s*** done though
You know thats facts

is this a bad thing tho?

me and arcade when a democratic socialist finally becomes president of this capitalist nation

It’s not that capitalists see the market (which I refuse to ridiculously capitalise) as Lord it’s that the market is an action that imitates the divine action and in this socialism/communism is no different than capitalism because they both have, as their ends, the imitating of divine action through materiality

No clue

How does socialism imitate divine action?

What's missing is a class a***ysis in your assessment of why things happen. Why did all these countries fight against a socialist revolution if socialism is good? Not because socialism is bad (how would they even know it was never implemented), it's because these countries were led by the same class that ruled over the working class of Russia that advocated for a worldwide workers' revolution. It wasn't like they debates the ethics of socialism, came to the conclusion that it was immoral, and decided to invade the USSR. They were worried about their own workers revolting against them.

It's the same reason for why the US was so freaked out by the slave rebellion of Haiti. They didn't want the oppressed class in their own country to get any ideas.

I mean.. yeah. If prices are artificially driven up for essential goods ur gonna have a subset of the population now unable to get those goods. A corporations only end is profit so theyll take selling less total if they make more per sale even though people will be hurt by that. Thats where price controls come in.
Ideally we could have moral corporations with morality enforced by law, and strict punishment for immoral companies but this has not materialized yet

By putting primacy on the immediacy of economic principles, it gives absoluteness to what does not possess the absolute.