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  • Nov 17, 2020
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    Prbz

    It's a bad business There are payday loans more reasonable than 360 record deals and that saying something considering how s***ty they are and they fact that they are even outlawed in some states. They may get shirts and s*** for free but things that are provided by the label are s*** that they have to pay back and often paid for by said loan. You being jealous of the lifestyle they live doesn't mean they are being fairly compensated for the work they do

    how is not caring about some millionaires complaining about their industry, being jealous?

    They know what they getting themselves into, artists sign the contract because of the perks and the fame which allow them to make even more money.

    Why should we suppose to care about the “struggles” of multi-millionaires when there’s people who work even harder without the benefits?

    Sure they’re paying it back or it’s their own expenses, the everyday person is doing the same s***

    Y’all be too attached to these artists

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    phil trout

    sure but it's harder to be hugely successful without label help

    Yea, The Weeknd said in a interview I think in regards to starboy that if he didn’t do what his label suggested he wouldn’t be half as successful on billboard

    It was the Zane Lowe interview but the full thing isn’t even on YouTube anymore

  • Nov 17, 2020

    Isn't owning your publishing more important?

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    For every major artist who makes it and their masters are worth anything there are hundreds upon hundreds of flops who those labels wasted money on. If they aren’t turning as much profit on their successful investments then they’ll inevitably have to make less investments and be more frugal about the ones they do.

    At the end of the day no one is forcing these artists into these deals. They willingly sign them because they want the opportunity the label offers. If you don’t like the terms of the agreement, go a different route.

  • Nov 17, 2020
    seezus

    how is not caring about some millionaires complaining about their industry, being jealous?

    They know what they getting themselves into, artists sign the contract because of the perks and the fame which allow them to make even more money.

    Why should we suppose to care about the “struggles” of multi-millionaires when there’s people who work even harder without the benefits?

    Sure they’re paying it back or it’s their own expenses, the everyday person is doing the same s***

    Y’all be too attached to these artists

    Why bring up some fanatical see the world and getting free s*** if there's no modicum of jealousy at play? And you should care because it's ethically not fair and not every single one of these niggas are multimillionaires or do you forget that people signed to indie labels and smaller artists on larger labels exist? S*** a lot of these artists work harder than the people who oversee their music at executive positions (shout out a&rs tho) so why are you riding the record labels d*** if we're going by the same logic?

    People go into payday loans knowing what they are getting into but they are still illegal in many states due to how f***ed up and predatory they are

    In regular loans you pay back the money you initially owed + at a interest rate ontop. But in record deals you PAY BACK AT A RATE. For an example I can give you 1000 for a song, with a royalty rate of 10% to pay it back at. By time I get back the 1k, you still owe me 900 So by time you recouped, I got 10k. And still owe your masters so ontop of that I can sell the copyright of your music, when I license your music, you may get a songwriting royalty but I'm still getting the most because it's mine. Now lets inflate that to maybe 300k to millions with around the same royalty rate. Now can you see how a lot of these niggas end up in debt?

    Stop d***eating. You can easily fight for the "common person", the artist signed to a label on bandcamp, or a person signed to a major.

  • Nov 17, 2020
    bigmike0123

    For every major artist who makes it and their masters are worth anything there are hundreds upon hundreds of flops who those labels wasted money on. If they aren’t turning as much profit on their successful investments then they’ll inevitably have to make less investments and be more frugal about the ones they do.

    At the end of the day no one is forcing these artists into these deals. They willingly sign them because they want the opportunity the label offers. If you don’t like the terms of the agreement, go a different route.

    These labels get tax incentives from artists flopping, they are spending way less now than ever because of they don't do artist development anymore among other reasons like music videos not being as extravagant as they were in like the 2000s, even if you go the DSP argument, many of them invest in them and help set s*** to the way they are as far as majors And read my post above.

  • DASANI

    In reference to this post I saw on Instagram
    https://ibb.co/28wrBB0

    I get that you don’t make all the money off of the music but still

    Lil Wayne and Drake made millions off of pandora and I don’t think they owned their masters

    Kanye became a billionaire without owning his masters as well, like he made so much outside of music.

    I heard lil baby makes a lot off of his concerts, lil uzi too.

    People talk a lot about this a lot today even Taylor Swift owns her masters for what she’s gonna re record so it’s got me thinking, what do you guys think?

    an artist even at the highest level imaginable puts in a lot of work with their individual team to be successful. When you don't own your music, you are doing the work of a CEO and getting paid the equivalent of an employee's wages. and on top of that, you are putting in work as an investment for someone else's financial gain who has probably only met you once or twice. when your career peaks and you can't make money on tour anymore, the label makes more residual money off your music than you ever will. lots of musicians that fall off are financially ruined but their label is still profiting off their previous success

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    Crine niggas don’t want socialized healthcare but will fight tooth and nail for helping their millionaire idols make more money

    This is what’s wrong with America

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    I’m surprised no ones done a “masters”/slaves bar yet

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    afterimage

    Crine niggas don’t want socialized healthcare but will fight tooth and nail for helping their millionaire idols make more money

    This is what’s wrong with America

    People outside of the US that can't understand the concept of wanting both and that MOST artists aren't millionaires

  • Sinewave

    I’m surprised no ones done a “masters”/slaves bar yet

    JPEGMAFIA has

  • Nov 17, 2020
    afterimage

    Crine niggas don’t want socialized healthcare but will fight tooth and nail for helping their millionaire idols make more money

    This is what’s wrong with America

    Like, make it make sense

  • Nov 17, 2020
    im protesting

    Can make money through other ventures

    Doesn’t matter if your catalog becomes a multimillion dollar asset in and of itself

  • Nov 17, 2020

    Op is stupid and wrong.

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    Prbz

    People outside of the US that can't understand the concept of wanting both and that MOST artists aren't millionaires

    whole thread is so lost

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    seezus

    Just like a paycheck for the everyday person is a “loan” when you have bills and s*** to pay

    These artists are still making money, travel the world, get tons of s*** for free, and have fans who give them more money, like boohoo are we supposed to feel bad? It’s a business

    How is a paycheque a loan do you pay back your workplace????

  • Nov 17, 2020
    Heatwaves

    whole thread is so lost

    Highkey

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    And what artists don't? Your argument makes no f***ing sense. Artists have to PAY back their advances. YOU don't have to payback your employer.

  • Nov 17, 2020

    That’s not a loan what the f***

  • Nov 17, 2020
    Heatwaves

    How is a paycheque a loan do you pay back your workplace????

    I didn't even catch that

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    Heatwaves

    And what artists don't? Your argument makes no f***ing sense. Artists have to PAY back their advances. YOU don't have to payback your employer.

    Y’all completely missing the point

    Nerds

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    seezus

    Y’all completely missing the point

    Nerds

    bro do you have a learning disability because i don't see whats not clicking

  • Nov 17, 2020
    Heatwaves

    bro do you have a learning disability because i don't see whats not clicking

    Y’all clearly don’t see what’s clicking because you guys are so blinded by being attached to these artists and their lives, it’s embarrassing

  • Nov 17, 2020
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    seezus

    Y’all completely missing the point

    Nerds

    You intend to answer my last post to you or are you going to continue to pretend like you know what you're talking about?