Nov 17, 2020·3 replies
SBMikeCause in the end all your hard work and effort don’t belong to you.
You see how they passing around Taylor Swift music for so much money and making so much off her efforts?
Isn’t it also true that her efforts are only as valuable as they are due to the label’s investment? Generally speaking they pay for the studio time, the engineers, and all the other musicians that bring your writing to life. Then they add value to the audio by promoting it and making it popular. If the label did no promotion the tracks wouldn’t be worth as much, if they didn’t pay for studio time or for other artists the tracks may not be as good. Wouldn’t this just be a return on that investment?
Nov 17, 2020new news
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Nov 17, 2020·1 replyTheoryIsn’t it also true that her efforts are only as valuable as they are due to the label’s investment? Generally speaking they pay for the studio time, the engineers, and all the other musicians that bring your writing to life. Then they add value to the audio by promoting it and making it popular. If the label did no promotion the tracks wouldn’t be worth as much, if they didn’t pay for studio time or for other artists the tracks may not be as good. Wouldn’t this just be a return on that investment?
Do u guys not think artists have payback their labels for all of this?????
Nov 17, 2020·1 reply
PrbzYou intend to answer my last post to you or are you going to continue to pretend like you know what you're talking about?
No, I just don’t care about multi-millionaires complaining about first-world problems
- Nov 17, 2020Theory
Isn’t it also true that her efforts are only as valuable as they are due to the label’s investment? Generally speaking they pay for the studio time, the engineers, and all the other musicians that bring your writing to life. Then they add value to the audio by promoting it and making it popular. If the label did no promotion the tracks wouldn’t be worth as much, if they didn’t pay for studio time or for other artists the tracks may not be as good. Wouldn’t this just be a return on that investment?
This is more than a return on their investment. Labels deserve to get the money they spent back plus extra from an artist but no way should that label eternally be able to own the work of an artist, sell that work without their knowledge, and not give that artist a chance to even buy their masters back.
- Nov 17, 2020
DASANIYea, The Weeknd said in a interview I think in regards to starboy that if he didn’t do what his label suggested he wouldn’t be half as successful on billboard
It was the Zane Lowe interview but the full thing isn’t even on YouTube anymore
And in the end, he won. He played the game right, and became the superstar he always wanted to be.
You never hear him complaining about anything.
- Nov 17, 2020·1 replyseezus
No, I just don’t care about multi-millionaires complaining about first-world problems
It doesn't just harm "multi-millionaires" is that point alluding you
- Nov 17, 2020
shaneYou make a product with your heart and soul and energy. You give the masters to the company because they gave you a bit of money.
Fifteen years later, your career has ascended from what it once was. However, you don't own your masters. You don't own your music. You're just performing it. Everything you do is making the label a LARGE profit.
Even if you get a little bit, the label might be making 10x what you're making and won't give you the option (for some) to buy back your masters. They own your music and won't let you buy the rights to own it.
Essentially, you're only getting a portion of the profit when you might've done all of the work.
(or that's how I understand it)
thread shoulda just ended here
- Nov 17, 2020Heatwaves
Do u guys not think artists have payback their labels for all of this?????
Is it pay back plus interest or just pay back, and is the pay back on everything?
Even if so, that’s the cost of getting large deals that help you achieve what people without label support cant. That’s the trade off.
- Nov 17, 2020·1 replyDASANI
Yea, The Weeknd said in a interview I think in regards to starboy that if he didn’t do what his label suggested he wouldn’t be half as successful on billboard
It was the Zane Lowe interview but the full thing isn’t even on YouTube anymore
This isn’t always the case though. Sometimes you do what the label wants you fall on your face, get dropped and in the end you still owe them money for the changes they made you take.
- Nov 17, 2020·1 replyTheory
Isn’t it also true that her efforts are only as valuable as they are due to the label’s investment? Generally speaking they pay for the studio time, the engineers, and all the other musicians that bring your writing to life. Then they add value to the audio by promoting it and making it popular. If the label did no promotion the tracks wouldn’t be worth as much, if they didn’t pay for studio time or for other artists the tracks may not be as good. Wouldn’t this just be a return on that investment?
The "return on investment" reaches shark loan predatory levels and they pay for all that s*** out of the loan
- Nov 17, 2020·1 replyPrbz
The "return on investment" reaches shark loan predatory levels and they pay for all that s*** out of the loan
They get a deal that puts them into the 1% overnight, of course that’s gonna come with strings attached.
- Nov 17, 2020Theory
They get a deal that puts them into the 1% overnight, of course that’s gonna come with strings attached.
Read that long ass post I did and not all of them are getting those kind of deals ($$$ wise) and pushes
- Nov 17, 2020·1 replyPrbz
It doesn't just harm "multi-millionaires" is that point alluding you
So, it’s harming you? Pretty sure it’s not harming anybody in this thread, and it’s definitely not harming me.
There’s a whole ass pandemic that’s harming everybody but let’s be sad about these millionaires
- Nov 17, 2020·1 replyseezus
So, it’s harming you? Pretty sure it’s not harming anybody in this thread, and it’s definitely not harming me.
There’s a whole ass pandemic that’s harming everybody but let’s be sad about these millionaires
There are artists who make around our wages (usually) and cannot make barely money at all now because shows are shut down because of covid and streaming is literally below a penny per play? What are you saying?
- Nov 17, 2020·2 repliesPrbz
There are artists who make around our wages (usually) and cannot make barely money at all now because shows are shut down because of covid and streaming is literally below a penny per play? What are you saying?
And there’s millions of people who are unemployed, struggling to get a job, and can’t afford to do anything. These artists still have fame, resources, fanbases, and platforms to make money. What are you saying?
They chose to be in the industry, boohoo who cares.
- Nov 17, 2020·editedseezus
And there’s millions of people who are unemployed, struggling to get a job, and can’t afford to do anything. These artists still have fame, resources, fanbases, and platforms to make money. What are you saying?
They chose to be in the industry, boohoo who cares.
Not every single artist is some super successful millionaire even if they are signed to a major label you idiot and were surviving off of live shows and merchandising sold at said liveshows, now that is cut off
Just as we should do right by the unemployed, we should do right by them as well. Will you say to the people who work at said venues they performed at the same thing? They chose to work there too? 
Nov 17, 2020SinewaveI’m surprised no ones done a “masters”/slaves bar yet
Someone literally posted a Nip line on 1st page
- OPNov 17, 2020·1 replySBMike
This isn’t always the case though. Sometimes you do what the label wants you fall on your face, get dropped and in the end you still owe them money for the changes they made you take.
That’s very rare though. And even If you get dropped and owe money you can still create your own music and give it directly to the fans you got from being on the label and even do a small tour.
- Nov 17, 2020DASANI
That’s very rare though. And even If you get dropped and owe money you can still create your own music and give it directly to the fans you got from being on the label and even do a small tour.
it's really not as rare as you think
- OPNov 17, 2020
I didn’t expect to get confused like this at all lol I can see why someone would want to own there masters entirely
That probably isn’t gonna be the norm and I just don’t see why someone would feel like a slave just because they don’t.
Nov 17, 2020Slave does not mean you don’t make money
Nov 17, 2020·1 replyseezusAnd there’s millions of people who are unemployed, struggling to get a job, and can’t afford to do anything. These artists still have fame, resources, fanbases, and platforms to make money. What are you saying?
They chose to be in the industry, boohoo who cares.
lmfao what
- Nov 17, 2020vagabonds
lmfao what
he's been trying to strawman the entire time lmfao
Nov 17, 2020SinewaveI’m surprised no ones done a “masters”/slaves bar yet
Didn’t Kanye just do that on Nah Nah Nah