Lazy and wrong counterpoint

2020s are the only decade where its not the standard to implement at least some instrumentation. the genre fell off a cliff quality wise, shocker.

80s, 90s, 00s and 2010s had session players on beats on the regular

On top of all that, MBDTF doesnt even sound like some recession pop bs or the young money buzzsaw synth beats that were in style in 2010

The genre does not fall off without live production. The best were people who literally just chopped up soul beats with rapping

it sounds as dated to 2010 as led zeppelin 1-4 is as dated to the 70s

I'm not comparing MBDTF to early young money bruh that's two different lanes. Im comparing to the dark boom bap s*** that Jay/Ye/Wayne and Drake did a lot of in that time

Soul beats werent even that common until the 2000s. Soul samples yea but they were more often than not contorted into something gritty. Funk and Jazz beats were more dominant in the 90s.

And the soul beats you speak of often had session bass, guitar and piano players.

yea u can say some songs and moments are outdated but it’s still classic that holds up well

ye sounds more dated and closer to what ur implying than fantasy

yikes sounds like a 2018 drake song it was doomed from release

?????? Hip-hop was founded on soul samples? What're you talking about?

No sir that would be disco and funk. James Brown? Sugarhill Gang?

Are u black?

Not even. Does that change the facts?

Yes. It definitely does

Well the biggest thing is the sound selection of those beats

Trap drums hadn’t fully matured at that point and seem very simple and cheap sounding compared to what came a few years later. Even the patterns were mostly simple, Them 4 to the floor snares sound like such a product of the time

The instrumentation also played a huge part. VST soft synths were still kinda in their infancy, They sounded extremely cheap and cheesy. They also used a lot of 1 shot type samples of live instruments. The actual programming was also really simple, This was the transition of hip hop mainly being sample based to producers actually writing chord progressions and Melodies themselves, obviously there was producers already doing that but this is when it became an easy thing to do without buying expensive keyboards, So naturally it led to guys without the musical chops of someone like Pharrell still composing original stuff

Thats fine but it shouldnt take a white dude to remind you that Hip hop didnt start with 90s east coast rap. A lot of samples were being interpolated and replayed at the start. Youre also conveniently ignoring the technique and sounds of early west coast and southern rap

Soul samples didnt become a standard until RZA flipped em. With that in mjnd you still had The Hitmen and Trackmasters primarily making funk beats for the 90s mainstream too

Just monster for me, and it's not the production, just the whole vibe of the song is hard to take seriously. Last 30 seconds are cool though

Disco, Funk and Jazz were the roots of hip hop . Started as dance music. listen to how different production was before 36 chambers. Im not debating further with you though cause all youll do is dance around the points being made

I thought so too but idk 2010s trap classics are aging beautifully

none. that's what makes that album so good

I still think it's a damn near perfect album

Almost every track except Dark Fantasy, All of The Lights, and Runaway
Maybe Gorgeous also

Only thing dated about any of the songs are how long they are tbh

it has it's flabby moments but still sounds fuken good for 2010

what are your terms for dated though op lets define them clearly

Has production that sounds old today