arguments are a waste of time. 90% of the time you're not convincing anyone of anything, you're both just getting all worked up for no reason
-someone who isn’t good at arguing his points
I don't think attacking the figures directly works at all tbh. That's the least effective approach imo. They more like what's being said than think those guys are peak masculinity.
It's like the personal attacks on trump they never have done anything
this is facts you right
Has he ever had a girlfriend?
he's currently in a relationship. he puts on fresh n fit instead of the radio when they ride together
he's currently in a relationship. he puts on fresh n fit instead of the radio when they ride together
that red pill hypergamy female nature stuff is Real, I think its positive for men to want to maximize their potential and live a good life instead of one where getting married, raising kids, and living some white picket fence corporate creation is their only priority in life.
why do you think it's negatively affecting him?
i'll give you an example of an argument we recently had in the case for hypergamy.
He came to me with this article about Gabrielle Union saying she felt entitled to cheat on her husband because she paid all the bills and made more money.
So he used this to state that this is just women's nature to be this way. to disrespect their partner. to always be looking for the "alpha" male. etc.
His point being that most women think like this and operate like this.
my response was first to get him to agree that cheating was disrespectful at the least which was a task to get him to even admit that (because it's okay for men to cheat ofc). So then getting him to agree that cheating was disrespectful, I then tried to move to agree that the way Gabrielle Union conducted herself in this relationships was toxic and made her a mean, vindictive person. and if that were the case, then MOST women are mean, toxic and vindictive people.
Essentially I was trying to break this conversation down to a fundamental disagreement. If I could get him to say YES to "most women are toxic mean and vindictive" then I could end the argument because that would be the fundamental disagreement.
-someone who isn’t good at arguing his points
Nah I think he's saying that 90% of the time you're not gonna change someone's mind even if you're right. They have to come to the conclusion on their own and change themselves
i'll give you an example of an argument we recently had in the case for hypergamy.
He came to me with this article about Gabrielle Union saying she felt entitled to cheat on her husband because she paid all the bills and made more money.
So he used this to state that this is just women's nature to be this way. to disrespect their partner. to always be looking for the "alpha" male. etc.
His point being that most women think like this and operate like this.
my response was first to get him to agree that cheating was disrespectful at the least which was a task to get him to even admit that (because it's okay for men to cheat ofc). So then getting him to agree that cheating was disrespectful, I then tried to move to agree that the way Gabrielle Union conducted herself in this relationships was toxic and made her a mean, vindictive person. and if that were the case, then MOST women are mean, toxic and vindictive people.
Essentially I was trying to break this conversation down to a fundamental disagreement. If I could get him to say YES to "most women are toxic mean and vindictive" then I could end the argument because that would be the fundamental disagreement.
Does his past relationships with women line up with his views? Like was he hurt in the past?
The arguments against his views don’t come to you naturally as you’re having these conversations with him? If you passionately disagree then they should
Either you’ve never gotten accustomed to clearly expressing your views, or deep down you don’t really disagree with what he’s saying - or you don’t actually have any opinions on any of it
Does his past relationships with women line up with his views? Like was he hurt in the past?
to my knowledge no, he's never been hurt. he's only had one girlfriend and it's the one he's with currently.
through his college years he took a lot of pride in having s***with as many women as he could while expending as little effort and money as he could. those were his liberal years. now he's just a grouch.
The arguments against his views don’t come to you naturally as you’re having these conversations with him? If you passionately disagree then they should
Either you’ve never gotten accustomed to clearly expressing your views, or deep down you don’t really disagree with what he’s saying - or you don’t actually have any opinions on any of it
nah it does come naturally, just always looking for more ammo to throw his way.
like recently, I heard about a statistic that stated most people on average marry within their tax bracket and more denotations. stuff like this helps in our arguments. backs up what I already believe but he has to face it as well.
-someone who isn’t good at arguing his points
im not gonna argue with you
Kill them
he's currently in a relationship. he puts on fresh n fit instead of the radio when they ride together
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i'll give you an example of an argument we recently had in the case for hypergamy.
He came to me with this article about Gabrielle Union saying she felt entitled to cheat on her husband because she paid all the bills and made more money.
So he used this to state that this is just women's nature to be this way. to disrespect their partner. to always be looking for the "alpha" male. etc.
His point being that most women think like this and operate like this.
my response was first to get him to agree that cheating was disrespectful at the least which was a task to get him to even admit that (because it's okay for men to cheat ofc). So then getting him to agree that cheating was disrespectful, I then tried to move to agree that the way Gabrielle Union conducted herself in this relationships was toxic and made her a mean, vindictive person. and if that were the case, then MOST women are mean, toxic and vindictive people.
Essentially I was trying to break this conversation down to a fundamental disagreement. If I could get him to say YES to "most women are toxic mean and vindictive" then I could end the argument because that would be the fundamental disagreement.
so you agreed with him?
im so confused lol you want to debate the "redpill" stuff but then want him to agree that women are toxic, mean, and vindicitive??
im so confused lol you want to debate the "redpill" stuff but then want him to agree that women are toxic, mean, and vindicitive??
You completely misunderstand what I’m trying to do
I don’t think women are like that.
I want HIM to SAY most women are like that SO we can have the fundamental disagreement
he's currently in a relationship. he puts on fresh n fit instead of the radio when they ride together
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