Why are you singling out tTigrayans as if they're the only ones that died in this war? You realize the TPLF is who started the war in the first place right?

All sides have committed atrocities and this one seems to be the one with the highest death toll, and it's not Tigrayans who were the victims.

Dropping "all sides" about the largest ongoing ethnic cleansing on the planet. Get checked

And we are winning bud, tigrayans were one of the biggest supporters of Ethiopia initially and look at what's happening to them. Look at how it's spreading too, guarantee you're back at war by the end of 2023. This conflict is gonna stick years if not decades like what happened with Eritrea.

Wtf does Ethiopians being the biggest supporters of Ethiopia even mean ofc they supported Ethiopia mf they turned it into a Tigray ethnonationalist dictatrorship The TPLF is who brought ethnic politicks to the forefront in Ethiopia with their system of ethnic federalism in the first place

Lmao your current president was one of the upper echelon members of the army during the invasion, ethiopians broadly supported the war back then. You're just trying to wash yourself off from the blame.

Wash myself off from the blame for what? Who says I like Abiy? He's just not as bad as the TPLF or the OLA, I been criticizing him since the beginning when Ethiopians celebrated his rise to power like he was the messiah and became disillusioned with him later on

Have you ever asked yourself why the hararis are not a majority in their own region? What do you think happened after 1978? You think they just accepted all these oromos in Harar or something?

They were genocided you rétard, mass killing and rapes beyond comprehension until there were almost no hararis left. There's only about 50k hararis alive now, f***ing disgusting.

So the Oromos are colonizers now or what? I thought you supported Oromo nationalism

Lmao you really have no idea what you're talking about

Ironic for somebody who always talks about identity politics to support the narrative of a 30 years long ethnonationalist dictatorship turned terrorist insurgents who are doing zoom calls with US diplomats reminiscing on the good ol days when the TPLF was a compliant lapdog to the US

The OLA is entirely immoral

The OLF is still some dumb tribal bullshit party that sees the world of politics as nothing but a conflict between ethnic groups like you but at least they don't resort to acts of terror like the OLA did

And where did I excuse any ethnic cleansing, that's what you've been doing itt, not only that you're calling for more ethnic cleansing and calling it liberatory

Tigray war has seen up to half a million dead from violence and starvation, say researchers. As many as 500,000 people have died from war and famine in the Tigray region of northern Ethiopia over the past 16 months, researchers say.

All sides

When did I say Tigrayans haven't been suffering from this conflict? They also undeniable suffered the most from the actual fighting, famine aside even, but the TPLF is principally responsible for starting the conflict in the first place when they started the fighting by launching an attack against military bases.

I never denied that there was a famine, but the TPLF themselves have been the ones to block humanitarian aid as well lol, even worse than that they've looted packages of humanitarian aid. The TPLF also has used humanitarian aid as a trojan horse to ship their weapons, as they've done in the past, remember We Are The World?

In the programme, two former members of the Tigryan People's Liberation Front, Aregawi Berhe and Gebremedhin Araya, said the group had relied on the aid money to fund its campaign against the then ruling military junta. Berhe, a former TPLF commander, told Plaut that in 1985, only 5% of the $100m raised by charities ended up with the victims of the famine.

His assertion was supported by another ex-member of the group, Araya, who said the rebels had fooled aid workers by dressing up as merchants and selling them bags of sand rather than grain. The money they pocketed, said Araya, was then spent on military hardware.

Plaut also pointed to a 1985 CIA report, which concluded that some of the money raised by insurgent organisations "as a result of increased world publicity … is almost certainly being diverted for military purposes".

The best way to put an end to the crisis, which is very real, is to stop the war, and the TPLF are the ones who started it, groups like the OLA want it to continue.

The sad part about all this is is that most of these ethnicities aren't even real lol

Especially between amharas and oromos, they're not culturally distinct, there is no intra-ethnic consciousness within most amharas or most oromos

According to ethnographer Donald Levine, writing in 2003 and citing Christopher Clapham, "Only in the last quarter of the 20th cent. has the term Amhara come to be a common ethnic appellation, comparable to the way in which Oromo has become generalized to cover peoples who long knew themselves primarily as Boorana (Boräna), Guğği, Mäč̣č̣a and the like. Even so, Amharic-speaking Šäwans still feel themselves closer to non-Amharic-speaking Šäwans than to Amharic-speakers from distant regions like Gondär and there are few members of the Šäwan nobility who do not have Oromo genealogical links"

I feel a lot of hate in this post. Looking from the outside and reading both y'all posts with a lot of interest, you can't say he's responsible for things others did to your country tho. Hate cycle is real i guess

It's funny how his mind can't comprehend that I didn't support what the Ethiopian military did in Somalia just because I'm Ethiopian

That's your brain on ethnonationalism

@Y0rn

It's funny how these ethnonationalists always talk about AMHARIZATION, but oromization doesn't exist somehow?

There's a good chance the amhara part of my family was amharized and the oromo part was oromized and were previously identifying with other smaller tribes before an amhara/oromo-led kingdom took over

Especially with oromos, before they became the largest ethnic group the oromos were actually in small numbers before the 16th century oromo expansiom where they conquered lands in Ethiopia and erased the existence of other ethnic groups through forced assimilation. If the OLA gets their independent Oromia state, are we supposed to also support Kaffa and Harari secession as well? Or all the other ethnic groups we don't even know about anymore? It's sad to see Africans so happily carry out the first step of divide and conquer themselves.

The history of ethnic groups in Ethiopia can't just be neatly categorized as colonizer/colonized, that's projecting european colonialism onto a country with a much more complex history. Like i said before itt, pretty much all ethnic groups in Ethiopia are guilty of conquest and settlement at one point throughout our history, if the country's politics is gonna revolve around revenge for these previous acts in our history it'll destroy not only Ethiopia itself but its neighboring countries as well. But @ismail_mire doesn't seem to have a problem with that since he not only thinks so fondly of that Somali war against Ethiopia that turned his country into a failed state, he said he hopes to do it again with American support lol

The ethnonationalist mind doesn't care for the welbeing of their own people, only the destruction of those other ethnic groups they perceive as inherently antagonistic to their own.

Also ironically equating Ethiopian history and statehood with Amhara imperialism completely erases the contribution of the Oromo people to the country.

People always talk about Amharic being used as the national language as being evidence for Amhara imperialism, when it has probably done the Amhara more harm than good. Now all crimes committed by Ethiopian leaders are being ascribed to Amhara imperialism, even the crimes by those who aren't Amhara and whose life goal was to entirely destroy the Amhara elite like Mengistu, or a Tigrayan ethnonationalist like Meles.

If anybody wants to understand the war, the TPLF and the role of the West this interview of a Somali-Ethiopian is essential. He was an Ethiopian diplomat and stepped down in protest after meeting with US secretary Anthony Lake who laid out US plans for turning Ethiopia into an American "anchor state" through the TPLF. He's a comrade too btw

@Y0rn if you're interested I got pdf's on some books about Ethiopian history relevant to this conflict, ik you a history mf so lmk

What books bro?

On Oromo people's history, battle of Adwa (defeat of Italians late 19th century) and how it shaped Ethiopia, some say it was part of Ethiopia's nation-building process

And some other shyt

It's not all long ass books also some academic papers by historians

Battle of Adwa always interested me. Sure bro, send me

So what's happening now @op

@Scratchin_Bandit

The egyptian army is headed to Somalia, plans have been made to rearrange the Kismayo port to support a wide scale deployment. Officially it's to defeat al shabab but it's probably also to open proper routes to offer support to our brothers in the somali region

Also u should change the title to a general one about the region, things are getting interesting again