Yeah to preface I get it that "I'm an old head" "out of touch" blah blah blah "fuck you you're just old you don't know what to talk about". I've heard it all. But recently with the KTT2 threads about people online seriously calling rappers who RAP about real s*** or have some sort of lyrical ability "Harriet Tubman bars" or whatever gets me going.

How are you going to hate on a genre that was built on its lyrics and story telling because it's "boring" or doesn't keep you entertained? I've had no problem personally with music that is about having fun or whatever as long as those people don't try to compare themselves to legacy acts who've been doing it for years.

Years ago I was complaining about SoundCloud bullshit because YES They sucked ass but at least most of them didn't try to compare themselves to people clearly better musicians than them. So what gives now? Are people that stupid or whatever that they aren't entertained by even what constitutes as being lyrical nowadays? I mean come on. Everyone can do better than to entertain this bullshit.

Sincerely a 31 year old "old head".

Edit: I'm not talking about ktt2 either, I'm talking about widespread discourse on other social networks that get linked here

We old enough to see how rap has changed for the worse as it became the most popular genre.

I blame the cacs

I'm white but I'd much prefer actual lyrics, wordplay, and storytelling over some garbage chorus being repeated in autotune for a minute and thirty seconds long without a purpose as an excuse for a "song". Like I get that everything can coexist and that's fine but why are these types of people being gassed up as "the next big thing" and compared to actual legacy acts???

I don't even care that people like Nettspend exist but why are these idiots comparing them to those who take years to release albums? Wtf

That’s just the tip of the iceberg op

The whole Stan wars bullshit on this website is the s***s, and has gotten infinitely worse since The Beef.

on cap

Says the most insufferable person in rap discourse

twitter isnt real dawg

It’s annoying but being part of this community that has people who share my same passion gives me hope

Dusthead

I welcome and treat all opinions equally. For every person who calls them Harriet Tubman bars there’s another person who loves it

Stop putting so much emphasis on the takes you disagree with and you’ll discover opinions aren’t as skewed as you think

In my day we called that conscious rap

Main problem with music discussion on here is that almost every general thread ends up in being a Kendrick vs Drake thread with the same 5-10 unemployed mfers in there arguing all day

How are you going to just insult me and not take the actual content of the message in???

I welcome and treat all opinions equally. For every person who calls them Harriet Tubman bars

so for everyone who calls someones mom a hoe theres another person who loves her so we shouldnt beat that first persons ass on general principle?

These younger generations now don't gaf about history and it's sad. When I was in middle school I used to want to dig in to the history of music, sports etc... it was awesome going back and hearing these artist my brothers and older friends would talk about in mythical terms like Pac, NWA, BIG, Dre etc...

Now a days most under 21's don't care bout nothing that happened before they were born lol that generation has only seen mid party music in mainstream rap their entire young adult life and moving forward thats all they want to see. Production has taken over the genre and lyrics are secondary, at best. Producers should be the stars of the genre these days

Also, hip hop fans don't like to admit it but rap rn is about where rock was in the early 2000's. This feels like the last hurrah of rap being the most popular, or one of the most popular genre's. No superstars coming after the damn near 40 year olds still carrying the genre.

Trap/mumble is like punk rock in the early 2000's. The last era of rock that was truly mainstream. But honestly...going back down a peg may not be a bad thing for the genre

Ageism is in hip hop is weird rn cause there's only about 3 rappers under 25 that are actually relevant

Imagined if 50 Cent died right when "In Da Club" was starting to become the biggest song in the world. This is the current reality that this generation of rap has been facing these past how many years...

It's also one of the three reasons why women have been dominating rap, but that's a whole other conversation entirely.

Not to be rude or anything but I find this constant complaining a bit counter productive. You could have used those 3 paragraphs to incite discourse but you chose to complain as usual because no one wants to talk about Casey veggies. There’s a decent amount of users here who enjoy discussing music, I’m sorry it’s just not the music you want to talk about

This didn’t need a 2nd thread

you're making a point for sure but i also think we gotta be careful cause some people are just super young / being contrarians intentionally and this reaction is exactly what they wanted

i agree that hip-hop media is in an awful place and a lot of the people with platforms post negative stuff and bullshit for attention but at the same time a lot of the rappers that people are calling "harriet tubman music" are EATING and doing well independently and going right to their fanbases

the idea that there's one rap media monoculture is very 2012 coded, it's over for that, now the genre is sooo big that it has divided into a ton of subgenres that are sustainable enough for artists to not have to cross into the other bag

and at the same time a lot of the kids who say dumb s*** like this now will grow up and be like damn i slept on this once that prefrontal cortex finishes baking ya know

people are just dumb af and cant focus nowadays
its not just music its everything
they cant even watch 30mn of a movie without doing something else

What's the other two reasons?