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    Do you believe somebody who is factually right/correct the majority of the time (upwards of 90%) in arguments, deserves to condescend/degrade the other party while arguing, out of frustration?

    This refers to a continuous & pre-existing dynamic between two people.

    To reiterate: Do you personally believe this behavior is justified, given the context?

    No right or wrong answers of course, simply opinion.

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    Depends on the other party’s behavior during the whole debacle imo

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    No the truth stands on it’s own. It should carry all the weight. Resorting to degradation doesn’t achieve anything except mindless submission in the other person.

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    Depends on the other party’s behavior during the whole debacle imo

    With the other party arguing just as defensively and vehemently as they were before this trend was established

  • Chip Skylark

    Depends on the other party’s behavior during the whole debacle imo

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    In Fortnite terms, imagine a player who consistently dominates in matches, landing precise shots and making strategic moves. Now, consider that this skilled player encounters a less experienced opponent repeatedly. Does the skilled player have the right to taunt and belittle the less skilled opponent just because they consistently win?

    In the context of your question, it's similar. While someone may be factually correct most of the time, it doesn't necessarily justify condescension or degradation. In Fortnite and in discussions, sportsmanship and respect contribute to a healthier environment. Being skilled or knowledgeable doesn't give someone the right to treat others poorly, especially in a continuous and pre-existing dynamic.

    In both scenarios, it's generally more constructive to encourage growth and learning rather than demeaning others. Everyone has different strengths, and fostering a positive dynamic can lead to better overall experiences, whether in a game or in a conversation.

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    pose these nuts in yer mouth nigga

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    With the other party arguing just as defensively and vehemently as they were before this trend was established

    Personally I don’t see the point since I already won and I don’t gain anything from rubbing their faces in it.

    But hey, some ppl like getting their gooch eaten during a blowie

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    Dec 20, 2023
    Chip Skylark

    Personally I don’t see the point since I already won and I don’t gain anything from rubbing their faces in it.

    But hey, some ppl like getting their gooch eaten during a blowie

    I meant mid-argument, while the person is still arguing under the impression they're correct

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    Chip Skylark

    Personally I don’t see the point since I already won and I don’t gain anything from rubbing their faces in it.

    But hey, some ppl like getting their gooch eaten during a blowie

    He’s talking that gooch talk

  • OP
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    Twicetagram

    In Fortnite terms, imagine a player who consistently dominates in matches, landing precise shots and making strategic moves. Now, consider that this skilled player encounters a less experienced opponent repeatedly. Does the skilled player have the right to taunt and belittle the less skilled opponent just because they consistently win?

    In the context of your question, it's similar. While someone may be factually correct most of the time, it doesn't necessarily justify condescension or degradation. In Fortnite and in discussions, sportsmanship and respect contribute to a healthier environment. Being skilled or knowledgeable doesn't give someone the right to treat others poorly, especially in a continuous and pre-existing dynamic.

    In both scenarios, it's generally more constructive to encourage growth and learning rather than demeaning others. Everyone has different strengths, and fostering a positive dynamic can lead to better overall experiences, whether in a game or in a conversation.

    This could have been a good a***ogy if it wasn't for the fact that the situation being referred to here is markedly different from skill

    The truth is always the truth regardless of time spent practicing or natural aptititude

    Wouldn't it be practical to understand condescension borne out of frustration due to trends in behavior repeating themselves?

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    It’s never justified

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    No the truth stands on it’s own. It should carry all the weight. Resorting to degradation doesn’t achieve anything except mindless submission in the other person.

    I meant mid-argument, with both parties still arguing

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    I mean there’s always exceptions to every rule but generally, being right doesn’t give you the right to be mean.

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    I meant mid-argument, with both parties still arguing

    yeah, did I imply otherwise?

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    Depends on what the argument is. Does the other person hold some sort of morally reprehensible stance? I feel like this when arguing abortion because I think that people against it don't think about what that means for our most sensitive populations.

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    Depends on what the argument is. Does the other person hold some sort of morally reprehensible stance? I feel like this when arguing abortion because I think that people against it don't think about what that means for our most sensitive populations.

    No, zero moral stuff involved

    Just plain old logical/wording stuff

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    Clowning others is a form of vice

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    being a d*** is a great way to be perceived poorly and lose the argument to the view of the bystanders

    the whole point of a debate if we really think about it is to sway the minds of those not in it, the people standing by watching. very very rarely is the person arguing the other side going to change their mind in that moment or even later. when beliefs are checked and passions rise, almost all men will double down and refuse to budge

    all imo of course

  • Dec 20, 2023
    Twicetagram

    In Fortnite terms, imagine a player who consistently dominates in matches, landing precise shots and making strategic moves. Now, consider that this skilled player encounters a less experienced opponent repeatedly. Does the skilled player have the right to taunt and belittle the less skilled opponent just because they consistently win?

    In the context of your question, it's similar. While someone may be factually correct most of the time, it doesn't necessarily justify condescension or degradation. In Fortnite and in discussions, sportsmanship and respect contribute to a healthier environment. Being skilled or knowledgeable doesn't give someone the right to treat others poorly, especially in a continuous and pre-existing dynamic.

    In both scenarios, it's generally more constructive to encourage growth and learning rather than demeaning others. Everyone has different strengths, and fostering a positive dynamic can lead to better overall experiences, whether in a game or in a conversation.

  • Dec 20, 2023

    Depends on if they have good reason to believe that the other person is arguing on bad faith

    If you’re arguing with someone who has given you no real reason to believe that they’re being disingenuous with their argument, you’re just a b****

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    so if what I’m arguing I’m passionate about we know both parties are coming in to game with 100% assertion they are factually correct, they full heartedly believe in what they say is absolute truth and nothing you say can change their mind otherwise. But ideally I want to have a fruitful discussion one where we both can agree to disagree on certain things and are open minded enough to receive new information that we don’t dismiss right away best for both parties interests to come away with something to ponder the idea is to educate in this case there would be no need for degradation