no what I mean is

focus is basically a measure of how long you can work on something without receiving a reward

when human beings have instant access to a constant stream of rewards (things that induce dopamine), their minds acclimate to this and their focus degrades

on-demand streaming of music is one of those things but its really just the addictiveness of the Internet in general (social media, p***, whatever)

I disagree

music is not "one of those things"

the mechanisms in ur brain used to listen to music are not the same ones used for executive functioning

the focus and attention span stuff ur talking abt relates to the prefrontal cortex and frontal lobe

music does not affect these areas. music is processed in ur auditory cortex

don't fall for OPs bullshit

this bullshit pisses me off so f***ing much man

quit pushing this pseudoscience retardation

believe whatever u want but I will ALWAYS stand FOR music. I will ALWAYS defend music. I do not care what that takes.

If music itself is under attack best believe im coming for ur ass

It honestly sounds like you're gonna do coke outside his workp9

Ngl OP might be onto something. My Airpods started f***ing up so I gave them to an Apple Store meaning that I started to walk solo without any music for almost a week and yeah life is actually f***ing beautiful

im in absolute shock that posters on a MUSIC FORUM are suddenly ANTI MUSIC

seriously man THINK for more than two seconds about what ur cosigning

so ur telling me ur life would be better with LESS music?

that music has made ur life WORSE?

f***ing disgusting. If that's really how you feel, you disgust me. People like you send chills down my spine. I hope to god you leave this place and never come back if you really believe music itself is a BAD thing.

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Just saying that disconnecting myself from it for more minutes that I was used to made me realize that life was actually special.

Like when you're walking with a group of friends you don't actually take time to care about what is surrounding you. Walking solo tho ? Oh f*** yes like OP said the birds, the wind, the street living... it almost always is a walk down memory lane.

Not saying that I'm suppressing music everytime I'm walking solo too I'm just saying that I, now, care more about stopping it for a minute and appreciating the world basically

this is called being present in life

some call this mindfulness.

Frankly, if you cant mindfully go through life without cutting yourself off from music you are a weak and pathetic human being.

You make me sick. Leave. GTFO if u genuinely believe music is a bad thing.

id say im generally a very peaceful dude but if ur coming for music itself the gloves are coming off. I won't hold back.

I'm saying if you become used to existing with constant reward, it becomes impossible to do difficult things without multi-tasking or getting distracted

music does affect your relationship to your reward system which is why your point about what areas of the brain process it doesnt apply

that doesnt mean music itself is to blame for these problems. its more about the way digital stimuli is consumed in general

I think I’ve done this once and it wasn’t intentional (I lost my headphones and didn’t some for some time later cause I was focused on other things) and it didn’t feel like anything revolutionary lol

I just got some headphones sometime later and went back to normal but I didn’t feel depraved or anything

no it doesnt

again.

dopamine is important in ur reward system. but that reward system is located in the frontal lobe and prefrontal cortex, not the auditory cortex.

What your talking about, the lack of attention and stuff, is actually a symptom of LOW dopamine production. ADHD is actually just this, a genetically low production of dopamine in the brain. In other words, if music was decreasing dopamine production then you might have a point.

The study u linked says that if anything there is a POSITIVE correlation between dopamine production and listening to music. In other words, the OPPOSITE of what you would expect to see if music was actually detrimental to ur ability to focus.

come on dude THINK about what you are saying for a second. You really believe MUSIC has made your life WORSE?

Lmmaaooo we have smartphones, music we can play whenever we want, social medias. Being present in life is almost not a real thing anymore.

When it comes to music a book which kind of puts in a nutshell everything about it is something that Gilles Lipovetsky called the era of emptiness where he supports the point that free accessible music is basically equivalent to free and 24/7 available d****.

Even tho I don't really agree with him I see where his reflexion stems from

No one is taking solo time outside without music anymore. Even for my morning run I feel like I need it almost as much as I need my shoes. Music has a hold on us like it or not this is far beyond something we could control

haven't read in 2 weeks ama
haven't talked in 2 weeks ama
haven't sneezed in 2 weeks ama

how far does this go fam music is where I cross the line

man what are you saying

it is ENTIRELY possible to be mindful without forsaking music. If anything, I'd say music can help us to appreciate the world we live in even more.

Again, do you genuinely believe that music has made your life worse? Really think about that question before you respond okay?

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Nah it didn't and it's not even like this is the point I was trying to support.

I'm just saying that I found peace in cutting it from time to time nothing more nothing less.

And I'm not saying that it's impossible to be mindful with music I'm just saying that you'll always be more mindful without it.

This whole thing reminds me of another thread about reading books and someone supporting the fact that he couldn't do it without music. That's the evil side of it and if you don't want to see it it's fine by me but there's people out there that can't even hold a book without distracting their mind with music. If you think that's a perfectly fine situation I don't know what to say to you

What do you do in your spare time? Like watch TV, play games, podcasts etc

based

One day, Kanye will release an empty cd album and tell his fans to imagine the sun buzzing 😂😫😫😂😂😂😂😫😫😫they'll be like "I hear it"😂

No ktt2

have you ever considered that these people totally could read a book without music they just don't feel like it.

has it ever occurred to you that, no, you won't always be more mindful without music?

look, even if someone can't read a book without also listening to music, u can consider this a symptom of attention deficiency. Ok so what's to blame for this attention deficiency? Look we are back to where we started. In short, just because they use music as a tool to help them focus doesn't mean it's the reason they have trouble focusing. This isn't Einstein level s*** bruh its not that complex.

you're right, people can use music as a distraction. People can use practically anything as a distraction though. the problem isn't music in the slightest. It's people who want to escape the world they live in and be less mindful.

There is no such thing as an "average attention span" and there is absolutely no scientific evidence that backs that this thing that isn't even quantifiable has gotten shorter