A decade without one is crazy. Thought JID would be the one but he has no mainsteam appeal rn
On the subject of JID, I feel like he supports OP’s theory.
If we still valued the music over the image or whatever, Forever Story would have put him in the limelight.
I mean, I know it’s always been a thing to have to be able to appeal to the mainstream, but I feel like the mainstream is harder to please now. It’s become so picky, lol.
I feel like to be a street rappers niggas have to believe you actually come from the streets
I feel like everyone knows slayworld was some good kids just imitating chief Keef and them
Mainstream just means a top 40 prominent artist Its literally defined to stop these arguments
I didn't know that
Yea I think these days technically there's not that many mainstream rappers, to me mainstream jus means the average hip hop fan knows of u (mainstream in hip hop not mainstream in general)
I get what you mean bro
So it’s not because these lyrical rappers arent seen as “cool”
Like my nigga they killed 3000 for YEARS for going to the headwrap and thinking he was on d****. That’s a sentiment known through the city to the point he had to address that on the hardest verse from return of the ‘g’
It aint s*** about looking cool, that was still an era where locs wasnt looked at as a cool thing (ask a dreadhead nigga living in Atlanta through the late 90s to late 00s how I know)
It's kind of is though? Honestly why would you even want to listen to a lyrical rapper if you didn't think the person was cool or smart. It's like taking advice from a dumbass.
I feel like 3k and OutKast in general is a bad example here because they were never really respected like that until later in their careers. Like no one ever really thought Andre was that cool until he became all quirky and started switching his style up...
In the black community yeah because dudes thought he was gay for dressing like that hence the Return Of The G
I feel like being "cool" actually plays way more of a part in todays music than it did before, strange because we seem to have a shortage of "cool" artists present day
I hope I'm still on the right track on this discussion cause I kind of forgot what we initially started talking about lol
it would be like calling fake migo era yachty a street rapper lol
But i mean thats kinda the problem with today. It feels weird to call carti uzi yachty street rappers but thats what most of their content comes back too
Its like they get the aesthetic/cultural benefit of being “different” from artists like yb or kodak who are more traditional hood type acts but pretty much just fill their verses up with street nigga type raps delivered differently lol
And the dynamic chuck refers to in OP is why they make fake street nigga music instead of being the cudi/wiz/ye/etc descendants theyre supposed to be lol
looking cool
Nigga the biggest rapper out is swagger jacking a backpack nigga’s style from The Lou.
Cool got nothing to do wit it.
Cool has everything to do with it lol...
The Cool by Lupe Fiasco out now!
I feel like to be a street rappers niggas have to believe you actually come from the streets
I feel like everyone knows slayworld was some good kids just imitating chief Keef and them
I think we at the point where everyone dont know that and in 3-5 years we’ll see a full generation of cosplayers cosplaying as cosplayers if we not already there with osamason and nettspend lol
“First nigga with a Benz and a packpack”
And even though it was irresponsible broke niggas don’t have 25k to blow on materials
I’m not saying he was flex rapping but I don’t feel like he was tryna act like he was broke; a lot of times when he would rap about being broke it’d be from someone elses perspective like We Don’t Care or past tense
I think it's the balance. He did a great job of playing im cash rich rn, but I need to work hard to get a bigger bag
It's kind of is though? Honestly why would you even want to listen to a lyrical rapper if you didn't think the person was cool or smart. It's like taking advice from a dumbass.
I feel like 3k and OutKast in general is a bad example here because they were never really respected like that until later in their careers. Like no one ever really thought Andre was that cool until he became all quirky and started switching his style up...
In the black community yeah because dudes thought he was gay for dressing like that hence the Return Of The G
I feel like being "cool" actually plays way more of a part in todays music than it did before, strange because we seem to have a shortage of "cool" artists present day
I hope I'm still on the right track on this discussion cause I kind of forgot what we initially started talking about lol
“Aura”
I’m barely on this site nowadays but we gotta stop this gimmick of posting tweets about non issues
These threads are the only source of actual music discussion on this site nowadays. The rest are thinly veiled Drake v. Kendrick bait threads and gossip/TMZ threads about nothing.
Complain about those instead
Where would you say people like Eminem or Kanye or MF Doom fall
Not really nerdy dudes but not really street
I also think of people like Lupe who nobody really wanted to be but 05-08/09 ish he still was a mainstream adjacent lyrical rapper
what youre saying about sheltered rappers/doing laundry is an unfortunate truth about the situation though. Many of the people skilled enough just dont have the perspective or life experience necessary to be a captivating rapper
It's funny you bring up Em, DOOM, and Lupe because it makes me realize that most rappers whether you were a backpacker or not, back then, were involved in the streets in one form or another because without the internet back then it forced people to actually go outside and get involved in their local communities.
I wouldn't consider Em or DOOM to be gangsters but they were definitely affiliated with grimy dudes.
Lupe also is someone who was in the streets but is also a major conscious rapper.
You don't have ANY characters like these in modern rap because now kids are spending their youth on the internet being nerds
We literally came out of an underground renaissance in the late 2010s with the slums and adjacent of self empowering and conscious rap and rnb. If you don’t want to follow that then that’s your problem, not everything will be served on a silver platter
Equating sLums with an underground renaissance is insane.
Still waiting for GloRilla’s fast food worker raps
Thats another thing
Once shes (or anyone) commited to her current aesthetic and brand its hard to imagine her doing that without it just being a video shoot with her in the popyes uniform like she just did. But her actually going in depth on that like spaceships by ye seems so far away from her brand lol
I think we at the point where everyone dont know that and in 3-5 years we’ll see a full generation of cosplayers cosplaying as cosplayers if we not already there with osamason and nettspend lol
I'm about to start my gangbanging streamer career
Gyatt
Thats another thing
Once shes (or anyone) commited to her current aesthetic and brand its hard to imagine her doing that without it just being a video shoot with her in the popyes uniform like she just did. But her actually going in depth on that like spaceships by ye seems so far away from her brand lol
I think she can remember she on the same label as the dude who made If Pain Was a Person
I think we at the point where everyone dont know that and in 3-5 years we’ll see a full generation of cosplayers cosplaying as cosplayers if we not already there with osamason and nettspend lol
Maybe I’m giving the kids too much credit but I feel like even they have to understand the osamasons and net spends of the world aren’t really in the streets
Still waiting for GloRilla’s fast food worker raps
She would actually make that s*** sound hard
But i mean thats kinda the problem with today. It feels weird to call carti uzi yachty street rappers but thats what most of their content comes back too
Its like they get the aesthetic/cultural benefit of being “different” from artists like yb or kodak who are more traditional hood type acts but pretty much just fill their verses up with street nigga type raps delivered differently lol
And the dynamic chuck refers to in OP is why they make fake street nigga music instead of being the cudi/wiz/ye/etc descendants theyre supposed to be lol
Ding ding ding ding ding
She would actually make that s*** sound hard
She’d find that balance between pain raps and keeping it hard that most trap rappers do well
i’m not understanding the tweet tho ye was literally talking about mixing the underground s*** with flexing that’s been kanye whole shtick since day 1
Where would you say people like Eminem or Kanye or MF Doom fall
Not really nerdy dudes but not really street
I also think of people like Lupe who nobody really wanted to be but 05-08/09 ish he still was a mainstream adjacent lyrical rapper
what youre saying about sheltered rappers/doing laundry is an unfortunate truth about the situation though. Many of the people skilled enough just dont have the perspective or life experience necessary to be a captivating rapper
DOOM lowkey is street to me but not like what you’d typically say
I put him in a Sean Price, Ghostface, Raekwon type category tbh