Ye was truly the first “Hip-Hop” artist to truly make genre less music. (Imo)

Like, people who don’t even f*** with rap respect the soundscapes & the quality of his work.

Kendrick now has the torch in the mainstream.

That's fair too

he made me buy that damn nike dad hat

Na. It was that ye would say “I’m not a rapper don’t compare me to other rappers. Compare me to Michael Jackson”

I think it’s just insulting to rappers, it’s okay to say you are a well trained rapper! I could give a f*** about “musical artists” whatever that means lol

why can’t what he made just fall under the growth of the rap genre in sound? why does it have to be genre less to gain attention from others when it comes to rap?

A lot of that was by design. During Late Registration Kanye said he was influenced by Fiona Apple and Portishead and even used Fiona’s producer Jon Brion for Late Registration. A lot of white hipsters ears perked up when that happened and things just snowballed from there.

Shoutout to Texas and Dallas but BigX saying this is so funny to me.

Idk why people acting like Kanye was the first person to incorporate white people lol

But I don’t think Jon Brion would say they made genreless music. I think he would just say that they created amazing new soundscapes for the genre of rap

One could argue Andre 3000 subliminally started this wave by making The Love Below an R&B/Pop album in contrast to Big Boi's hip hop side(Speakerboxx) and refusing to drop a solo rap album.

She don't like no rapper, so I told her I'm a singer

To the OP though I think we’ve reached a zero point where music is not necessarily constrained to a singular sound/influence, so it’s almost implied that artists of all genres can use this to have more broad exposure. I just think specifically when it comes to hip hop, it’s seen as a slight like “oh I’m an artist not a rapper” well ok inherently rappers are artists so you’re basically making an unnecessary disclaimer and 99% of the time the reception is not going to be positive in hip hop circles

this is such an overstated take it almost makes you think if yall payed attention to anything pre-Kanye

the backpack/nerd s*** wasn’t the first entry into hip hop for all white ppl collectively Kanye isn’t that special

I’ll say specifically think it’s whack for someone like Post Malone who yes was a caricature (really like the pioneer of the white avatar) but someone I viewed as actually talented vocally at least…not only did he disown the genre that blew him up, but he switched up to the lack of commercial success while making what is probably my favorite project by him AUSTIN only to pivot AGAIN into weak ass pop country to be successful again it’s actually hilarious how shameless some of these people are

With you on that

The worst part is going back to White Iverson and realizing how good it is he was so good at that sound man

Jon Brion’s production and strings opened the door for Kanye’s “genreless” music. Jon was not a traditional hip-hop producer before working on Late Registration. Him incorporating his sound came from Kanye wanting to blend other genres and soundscapes into hip-hop. And I mentioned how things snowballed because Kanye went on to use Daft Punk (electronic) and other artists from different genres.

Yeah like it’s open season on how you feel about him as a culture vulture but it’s inarguable IMO the dude knows how to make catchy music there’s a reason he has a crazy amount of diamond records

Interesting tie in to Jon Brion working on Mac’s Circles too which feels like his furthest departure from hip hop

lr n grad are using sounds already in forms of rap, just more contemporary

jazz n orchestral then electronic n pop-rnb

well Mac was an “I’m an artist” kind of dude, that’s why he has so many characters lol

Not sure what the point of this reply is, you're posting things that are pretty obvious. Kanye is on record saying he used Jon Brion for Late Registration because he was a fan of his work with Fiona Apple along with achieving Portishead's soundscapes.

But what's nice is he never said it!! He just showed it

ngl whenever kanye said it I always thought it’s cause of his shoes, clothes, architecture, etc..

Like he does more than just music

Exactly

He also stated the third album in his swimming circles trilogy was gonna be a straight rap album because that was his foundation

Shame we never got it

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you said it opened the door to genreless music when these things were already part of the genre

it being jon or daft directly instead of 50s jazz or itallian opera samples or disco n house records doesnt change that

rap has always been fluid and "genreless" with these aspects

the only real difference imo, is the more live play some of LR has tho they are both still very much rap albums