FlyHiii

3y

Im not even a Kubrick stan tho but at least Kubrick stans got going for them that 2001 actually influenced the whole medium something which Nolan could only dream of, respectfully.

He’s good at what he does but if you can’t see the genius in 2001 i believe there’s a big chance you haven’t really given it a fair shot or seen it on a big screen

Reformed

3y

2001's influence is so overrated it's actually annoying to see the Internet act like its such an impactful film.

There's a reason the sci fi genre didn't even become a real thing for over 20 years after its release (aside from cheesy imitations of westerns like Star Wars or genre films that just happened to take place in space like Alien or Solaris). Yeah, its a very ambitious film and definitely was a big moment, but nobody out there is trying to make a movie like 2001. The movie that deserves 2001's respect when it comes to influence is Blade Runner. Ever since that film dropped, the future of sci fi changed and even to this day sci fi movies that come out now feel like they're inspired by Blade Runner way more than they feel inspired by 2001. And that is simply because Blade Runner felt like the first film that was genuinely sci fi. It wasn't an art film disguised as one like 2001 and Solaris. It cared deeply about the concepts of its worldbuilding and the narrative was as sci fi as you could get. Blade Runner to me is first truly successful sci fi film and it deserves all the praise 2001 gets.

If we're being real Nolan is already very influential to current Hollywood. Maybe not for an entire genre but its very apparent to see when other filmmakers try to take his aesthetic like as you see with a Sam Mendes or Denis Villenueve.

Hell, Interstellar is already influencing filmmakers from around the world, whether its Damien Chazelle or James Gray with "First Man" and "Ad Astra" or its even Makoto Shinkai who was inspired by Interstellar when creating "Your Name". It's not like Interstellar has come and went like so many other films from that time. It's still one of the most talked about films from the past 20 years and I consistently see more and more critics, even those who hate Nolan, come around on it as time has gone on.

Shy

3y

Best scene in cinema history.

FlyHiii

3y

That doesn’t make any sense.. so every film that takes place in space is because of Interstellar influence? And people still talk about that film so yeah what about 2001 that came out in the 60s and people still talk about that lol

Not saying Nolan is trash or doesn’t have any influence. I mean he’s a popular guy, of course he’s gonna influence people. But he’s the most overrated director simply because of the fact he’s the one director everyone knows who don’t even watch films like that. So to many people he’s automatically the GOAT because that’s all they know

Also wouldn’t really compare Villeneuve to Nolan. I can see where the comparisons come from but Villeneuve films are much more subtle where Nolan is just being flashy with his gimmicky concepts. Nolan could NEVER make a film like Incendies but i would like him to prove me wrong

Edit; i agree with Blade Runner being one of the most influential but i feel like this film constantly gets its kudos besides 2001

Reformed

3y

I named First Man and Ad Astra because Chazelle and James Gray themselves have said they were influenced by Nolan (Chazelle even said he met with Nolan to discuss how he made Interstellar so it could give him ideas on what to do). In fact, James Gray said he literally had to re write his Ad Astra script because it was too similar to Interstellar. Makoto Shinkai's film doesn't even take place in space, so what are you talking about?

2001 is still talked about sure, but nobody is actually influenced by 2001 anymore. The most you really see is someone like Nolan just paying a homage to it with the black monoliths in Interstellar and he only did that because he is a massive fan of the film lmao. I would say way more filmmakers from the past 30 years are influenced by Blade Runner and The Matrix when it comes to thinking of sci fi ideas. Interstellar is still influencing people and while it is true that you can't simply say that a movie is influenced by Interstellar simply because space, I think its pretty telling that Hollywood was moving away from outer space movies in the 00s and early 10s. Up to Interstellar, outer space was just seen as a cheap way to make a sci fi film because it was easy to make it a back drop (Moon, Pandorum, etc. being some examples)

I think its pretty telling that just like how the moment Wolf of Wall Street dropped, we started seeing more black comedies pertaining to financial corruption springing up (War Dogs, The Big Short, etc.), its telling that as soon as Interstellar dropped, you saw bigger budget sci fi dealing with outer space coming out. Not to mention, First Man and Ad Astra both literally pertain to outer space travel centered on the emotional core of a child-father's relationship.. I mean cmon lol. Even something like The Martian probably only got green lit because of Interstellar's success tbh.

Even now, you are getting another Ryan Gosling outer space movie, an Adam Sandler outer space movie from the director of Chernobyl, and s*** even Elon Musk is financing a Tom Cruise outer space movie. As ridiculous as it sounds, Interstellar kinda did jump start all this with how massively successful it was at a time where outer space was just thought to be low budget sci fi filmmaking.

As for Denis being more subtle, that is true. But subtle doesn't necessarily mean better and its still obvious how much he is inspired by Nolan since coming to Hollywood. Sure, Nolan couldn't make Incendies (and I'm sure he doesn't want to) but Denis will never be able to make Memento or Interstellar and he is working in an industry where he has every chance to make one. Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 literally were his Interstellar attempts and Arrival came and went and BR2049 flopped, despite having a cult following. Matter fact, pretty much every outer space attempt since Interstellar has not even come close to that films success besides The Martian (which nobody even talks about anymore lol).

Reformed

3y

I named First Man and Ad Astra because Chazelle and James Gray themselves have said they were influenced by Nolan (Chazelle even said he met with Nolan to discuss how he made Interstellar so it could give him ideas on what to do). In fact, James Gray said he literally had to re write his Ad Astra script because it was too similar to Interstellar. Makoto Shinkai's film doesn't even take place in space, so what are you talking about?

2001 is still talked about sure, but nobody is actually influenced by 2001 anymore. The most you really see is someone like Nolan just paying a homage to it with the black monoliths in Interstellar and he only did that because he is a massive fan of the film lmao. I would say way more filmmakers from the past 30 years are influenced by Blade Runner and The Matrix when it comes to thinking of sci fi ideas. Interstellar is still influencing people and while it is true that you can't simply say that a movie is influenced by Interstellar simply because space, I think its pretty telling that Hollywood was moving away from outer space movies in the 00s and early 10s. Up to Interstellar, outer space was just seen as a cheap way to make a sci fi film because it was easy to make it a back drop (Moon, Pandorum, etc. being some examples)

I think its pretty telling that just like how the moment Wolf of Wall Street dropped, we started seeing more black comedies pertaining to financial corruption springing up (War Dogs, The Big Short, etc.), its telling that as soon as Interstellar dropped, you saw bigger budget sci fi dealing with outer space coming out. Not to mention, First Man and Ad Astra both literally pertain to outer space travel centered on the emotional core of a child-father's relationship.. I mean cmon lol. Even something like The Martian probably only got green lit because of Interstellar's success tbh.

Even now, you are getting another Ryan Gosling outer space movie, an Adam Sandler outer space movie from the director of Chernobyl, and s*** even Elon Musk is financing a Tom Cruise outer space movie. As ridiculous as it sounds, Interstellar kinda did jump start all this with how massively successful it was at a time where outer space was just thought to be low budget sci fi filmmaking.

As for Denis being more subtle, that is true. But subtle doesn't necessarily mean better and its still obvious how much he is inspired by Nolan since coming to Hollywood. Sure, Nolan couldn't make Incendies (and I'm sure he doesn't want to) but Denis will never be able to make Memento or Interstellar and he is working in an industry where he has every chance to make one. Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 literally were his Interstellar attempts and Arrival came and went and BR2049 flopped, despite having a cult following. Matter fact, pretty much every outer space attempt since Interstellar has not even come close to that films success besides The Martian (which nobody even talks about anymore lol).

hoopsplayer21

3y

success at box office and movie quality aren’t synonymous. i see why you mention it but just because BR2049 flopped doesn’t mean it’s a bad movie.

hoopsplayer21

3y

i understand the nolan hate that comes from casuals, and it pains me to say causals cause i’m kinda a casual but. he makes great entertainment movies that border on artistic films. it’s a nice hybrid for the casual person

Reformed

3y

I named First Man and Ad Astra because Chazelle and James Gray themselves have said they were influenced by Nolan (Chazelle even said he met with Nolan to discuss how he made Interstellar so it could give him ideas on what to do). In fact, James Gray said he literally had to re write his Ad Astra script because it was too similar to Interstellar. Makoto Shinkai's film doesn't even take place in space, so what are you talking about?

2001 is still talked about sure, but nobody is actually influenced by 2001 anymore. The most you really see is someone like Nolan just paying a homage to it with the black monoliths in Interstellar and he only did that because he is a massive fan of the film lmao. I would say way more filmmakers from the past 30 years are influenced by Blade Runner and The Matrix when it comes to thinking of sci fi ideas. Interstellar is still influencing people and while it is true that you can't simply say that a movie is influenced by Interstellar simply because space, I think its pretty telling that Hollywood was moving away from outer space movies in the 00s and early 10s. Up to Interstellar, outer space was just seen as a cheap way to make a sci fi film because it was easy to make it a back drop (Moon, Pandorum, etc. being some examples)

I think its pretty telling that just like how the moment Wolf of Wall Street dropped, we started seeing more black comedies pertaining to financial corruption springing up (War Dogs, The Big Short, etc.), its telling that as soon as Interstellar dropped, you saw bigger budget sci fi dealing with outer space coming out. Not to mention, First Man and Ad Astra both literally pertain to outer space travel centered on the emotional core of a child-father's relationship.. I mean cmon lol. Even something like The Martian probably only got green lit because of Interstellar's success tbh.

Even now, you are getting another Ryan Gosling outer space movie, an Adam Sandler outer space movie from the director of Chernobyl, and s*** even Elon Musk is financing a Tom Cruise outer space movie. As ridiculous as it sounds, Interstellar kinda did jump start all this with how massively successful it was at a time where outer space was just thought to be low budget sci fi filmmaking.

As for Denis being more subtle, that is true. But subtle doesn't necessarily mean better and its still obvious how much he is inspired by Nolan since coming to Hollywood. Sure, Nolan couldn't make Incendies (and I'm sure he doesn't want to) but Denis will never be able to make Memento or Interstellar and he is working in an industry where he has every chance to make one. Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 literally were his Interstellar attempts and Arrival came and went and BR2049 flopped, despite having a cult following. Matter fact, pretty much every outer space attempt since Interstellar has not even come close to that films success besides The Martian (which nobody even talks about anymore lol).

Reformed

3y

I mean you don't gotta tell me that lol. There's movies I love that flopped with critics, audiences and the box office (Cure for Wellness and several Rob Zombie films are some examples of movies I will always go to bat for)

But it does always fascinate me how much hate Nolan gets when he is probably the only filmmaker right now who could get a blank check to make whatever the f*** he wants and make it a massive hit. I loved BR2049 and imo its the first great Villenueve movie, but its undeniable that it didn't connect with a lot of people and is seen as a cult movie, whereas Interstellar, despite the hate from corny pretentious nerds on the internet, is considered a landmark sci fi film even now with many people citing it as one of their favorite films of all time.

I think the whole casuals argument is extremely cringeworthy and its funny to me how in music you would be seen as an absolute f***ing loser to try to discredit someone's massive success by just saying their fans are idiots because they don't listen to some obscure artists that would literally be used to remove people from a club as quickly as possible, but when it comes to film, apparently you have to have seen films from a Hong Sang Soo or Ingmar Bergman to have a real opinion on whether or not you can deeply connect to some movie or not lmao.

Like dudes here act like people who love Nolan have never seen a film before. Sure, they may not have seen nearly as many films, but its not like these guys go around saying every movie they have seen is incredible. Film is subjective and just cuz some loser who thinks they're deep because they saw some 40s black and white art movie doesn't like Nolan doesn't mean that he hasn't made some of our most important and iconic films of the past 20 years that will undeniably be talked about just like Spielberg or Cameron's classics from the 70s-90s are.

FlyHiii

3y

You had me until you brought up numbers, which is a cop out to me in any sort of conversation regarding to film as an ARTFORM first and foremost. You say that Denis couldn't make an Interstellar but to me those exact 2 films (Arrival & BR2049) proved otherwise. I personally don't think any other sci-fi film of the last decade reached the same heights those 2 films did. Not on a optical level (the worldbuilding and whole feel of BR2049 is perfection, but okay i'll give the credit for that to Roger Deakins mostly) but if we talking about Arrival that's exactly a demonstration of what Nolan sometimes fails at: having a mind bending concept but executing it in a satisfying way without going overboard with it. At least, that's my opinion.

It's not like i wanna keep arguing about Interstellar either, because it's a great film and actually among the better Nolan features. My initial post itt was concerning his stans and the mindless praise his films get by an audience who maybe watch 5 films in a year. You might be able to criticize 2001, and that's your opinion and again i'm fine with that. However, i'm not fine with THOSE people ripping apart 2001 while having no interest whatsoever in the history of film culture. It's annoying sheep mentality and it's very prevalent in his fanbase. But i guess that's not something Nolan is to blame for himself lmao

Also, one more important thing. I think you're kinda underselling what 2001 did for film as a whole. Not just the sci-fi genre. We don't even know what film would have looked like without 2001. There was nothing like it at the time. The way it looked, the hypnotic quality of the picture, the concepts and themes that were far ahead of it's time, the surrealistic ending sequences. Plus it despite seeming inaccessible to a lot of people nowadays ending up becoming this huge pop culture phenomenon. It's a classic, and rightfully so

hoopsplayer21

3y

i’m more or less arguing what you are arguing. i’m not calling all his fans casual. i’m just saying his movies are usually more friendly to none film snobs is all.

Reformed

3y

Yeah I mean, I feel he is doing what Spielberg or Cameron were doing in the 70s/80s/90s. Spielberg is seen as a bit more mature now because he branched out into doing movies like Schindler's List or Lincoln, but regardless I think thats the same kind of crowd Nolan is aiming his films at: the crowd that likes big spectacle movies but with more thought into it.

Nothing

3y

We are not ready for the Drake SXN x Film Enthusiast crossover.

Bro talking about how Arrival came and went as if it wasn't one of the most discussed movies of its year or as if Villeneuve wasn't the most celebrated director of the past decade

FlyHiii

3y

I like the movie but just came to say 2001 is infinitly better

Yuzzy

3y

2001 is much more influential than Interstellar, look at a list of directors favorite films.

Interstellar is a good movie, but it's last third is pretty boring. The space scenes are cool but look like cgi compared to 2001. I will say it has probably the best performance in a Nolan film

TheWanderingStars

3y

Did I just read someone claim that Villeneuve and Mendes are inspired by Nolan’s “aesthetics”?!

Can you define Nolan’s “aesthetics”? I can. Here we go: it’s basically IMAX and a score done by Hans Zimmer. That’s it. Yep, Nolan doesn’t have a style as filmmaker. He’s not inventive, he shoots scenes in the most boring way, pretty much like a network TV procedural. Here’s a reminder:
https://vimeo.com/28792404/description

As a writer? Yeah, Nolan definitely has a style. He has his own obsessions and relies on the same themes/motifs. But that’s it, pretty much. You can’t claim that inventive directors like Mendes and Villeneuve (who have their own flaws but are way more creative) are inspired by f***ing Christopher Nolan’s aesthetics.

Reformed

3y

You’re so blindly delusional

It’s so obvious from Nolan’s camera work, storytelling and editing that you’re watching a Nolan film. You say Hans Zimmer but nearly everyone called Tenet the most Nolan film despite the fact he didn’t compose for that. It’s just obvious you hate Nolan like the pretentious film snob you are. Mendes and Denis don’t even have styles lmao. Denis films are basically just if an art house filmmaker got a big budget lmao. Prisoners and Sicario just feel like lower tier Fincher movies and BR2049 feels so much more indebted to Deakins and Ridley Scott than Denis.

Also that link is laughable. Dude just wanted the scene to feel more art house than a commercial film with his “analysis”

The funniest thing is how you s*** for brains act like Mendes and Denis aren’t influenced by Nolan when they’ve admitted it themselves and hold him in very high regard as a filmmaker

https://collider.com/sam-mendes-skyfall-the-dark-knight/amp/

https://theplaylist.net/denis-villeneuve-spielberg-nolan-20171222/

TheWanderingStars

3y

What are Nolan’s trademarks as a director? What makes him unique? What defines his style? Absolutely nothing because he doesn’t have a style.

To claim that Denis Villeneuve doesn’t have a style is... ridiculous. He’s clearly influenced by contemplative cinema, that’s why he likes to focus so much on textures, silhouettes and shadows. He prefers to work with a limited color palette and his landscapes are usually minimalistic.

Mendes on the other hand loves extreme wide shots, complex and long tracking shots, frame within a frame composition, focusing on the texture of dust and rain.

These guys have nothing to do with Nolan aesthetically. They’re just better. And your links don’t mention anything about aesthetics: they simply claimed that Nolan opened the way for a new kind of blockbuster with a more advanced plot.

Blablabla, you’re pretentious because you don’t like this director I like... Nice strawman, though.