I love music like this and i dont care who knows it

People are products of their environment and reflect what they know and experience via their creative work. If everyone is being fed the same content, it's inevitable that their internal life will be expressed in a similar manner to someone with an equal capacity for self-reflection.

This is fostered by the success of artists like Tyler and Cole, who never would have reached such a wide audience if their own experiences hadn't been felt by so many listeners. People love to see themselves in the media they consume because it validates their perspective.

It's also important to remember that this thread is talking about young artists who haven't had the time or life experience to really crystallize their worldview and differentiate themselves from their peers. An intellectually curious person tends to become more nuanced and complex with time. So we'll see how this gen ages.

Oh y'all talking about singing rappers and s***

Anyway Rod Wave trash

Jay z up to that point had been rapping since the 80s duke.

When i mean “in it to make money” I mean not even try to care about legacy or anything that will stand the tests of time.

Make a quick buck and be out.

Listen to Marcy Me and tell me that aint a dude that is in his core a RAPPER.

“ I mean not even try to care about legacy or anything that will stand the tests of time.”

You don’t know that though. You just project that onto them. But you can’t say what’s in somebody’s heart.

Jay Z loves hip hop. He was also in this s*** to get some money. Both things can be true. And I believe both things are true for many rappers today as well.

But this whole hippy bullshit of these older rappers like Jay Z not doing it for a check and instead only for the love of the art is nonsense. Hip hop is capitalist as hell. Because most rappers don’t come from money

Jay Z loves hip hop. He was also in this s*** to get some money. Both things can be true.

No s*** sherlock.

The KEY difference between then and now is these new niggas do NOT love hip hop.

Sexyy Red said she hates going to the studio lol like c’mon.

bold and painfully stupid of you to say when you the one posting the same tired unfunny forced years old ass memes that do nothing but discourage genuine discussion on a mf music forum

Now it's not "some" anymore and it's majority of rappers

be selective if you want

i already contributed but choose to overlook that for yourself

I don’t think it’s fair to say they don’t love hip hop. It goes back to you just projecting that on to them. Even rappers like Carti are hip hop nerds. I watched Uzi talk in depth for like an hour about hip hop and different rappers on a stream

Now if you wanna talk about some of these young NY drill rappers then yeah they aren’t really well versed in hip hop beyond local s*** from their area.

But you’re crazy if you don’t think someone like Polo G or Durk loves hip hop

a lot of the older rappers did s*** for the money too lol that’s why they stopped dropping music we saw it from the lyrical acts like banks & az to the peaks with 50

az said there is no market today for him to make an album with nas
while he may be right you gotta ask why is that the focus when there’s still fans who would want to hear the record & he clearly believes that he’s still a valuable asset to the industry in some way

nas didn’t do those 15000 hit boy albums because there was a “market” for it lol it’s cause he respects the craft

and to pretend that only newer acts don’t respect the craft is disingenuous

im going off your first post alone, haven’t read this entire thread yet. either way dont post dumb s*** if you don’t want to get called out for it ig

im chillin

It’s okay but I dont want it at the expense of the other “characters” in rap being pretty much eliminated except for niche underground acts

@op i definitely wouldn’t say it’s the main problem more of a symptom but otherwise i 100% agree w you and it’s actually been something i been thinking a lot about lately. like da art of storytelling (one of my fav OutKast tracks lord) doesn’t exist in any significant way in this hip hop s*** even in the underground outside of very few exceptions

i fw Q but even on this album he’s mostly doing that empty flexin bro. the best tracks are the ones where he isn’t doing this

You’ve essentially just gotta be original. Original beats. Original bars. Or original perspective. All three, and you’re gold.

i actually like earl over beats like those and i like the way he does the character but i agree it’s a problem he the exception not the rule. i also think it’s infected his main work. i fw it because i fw him as a lyricist overall ig

if only that were enough/actually mattered in this late capitalist TikTok ass musical landscape

True.

The market rewards clones.

there's no problem that needs to be diagnosed with hip hop people should stop talking about it like that. like any genre it goes thru life cycles & phases thats natural and shouldnt be discouraged

what you're talking about sounds like the result of a de-personalisation & flattening of society as a result of the tech industry fueled on capitalism

first part is wrong or at least misguided but second part is entirely correct and literally applies to hip hop as a genre i just fail to see how you’re not putting two and two together like the point is sitting right above your head you just gotta catch it nigga. also it’s bold of you to assert that any artform undergoing such changes under capitalism is in the least bit natural when it’s… literally because of capitalism and i for one don’t consider capitalism to be the natural order of things