That s*** is actually insane

“the middle” of right wing policies and right wing policies is still right wing policies

op is a midwit

“The middle” is how you end up with fascism.

The middle just means you make the assumption that because both parties don’t act in your material interests that dropping out and staying “neutral” in whether you label yourself a lib or a conservation, maga, progressive, etc. because no meaningful position in the “middle” will be critical of capital and anti-imperialist. They don’t care if you don’t like Democrats or Republicans anymore. I mean they kind of care but capital will morph to suit its needs, they will restructure bourgeois parties as need be to satisfy the masses.

You can get your trans president, your black SOS, create some rebranded party with a new name and tell you cool slogans to feel good. None of it matters

The middle has never done anything for anyone, those engaged in class struggle for the proletariat have been how you defeat rightists

Centrism is not a real position and is the position of cowards or the confused.

What's more effective, socialism or communism?

communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society

you can’t establish this overnight when starting from a capitalist country, it takes time to re-organize how your economy is structured, lift the material needs of your people, deal with leftover issues and problems from working within a previous capitalist system.

Like for instance the transition from feudalism into capitalism took hundreds of years, and wasn’t an all or nothing at once thing. Places like America broke off in the 1700s, which even then was still Proto-capitalist than outright feudal some places like pre-revolution China still had semi-feudal elements in the countryside with the relationship between landlords and the peasantry, while still having 20th century industrial capital in big cities like Shanghai

socialism is the intermediate stage between capitalism and communism, where the state apparatus and its institutions, have been seized by the working class and now the means are production are organized in a way where the outputs (profits) are socialized and go back into raising the material needs of the working class. The goal is to eventually eliminate class struggle because there would be no division in how outputs are distributed, there would be no material basis for a bourgeois class to exist. The state as a means of oppressing one class over another would eventually whither away as well.

Basically one cannot exist without first going through an intermediate stage. Socialism is a lower stage But the two have been and do get used interchangeably.

What I'm getting from this is that the US is unlikely to transition to a more socialist system any time soon, given the political division and the substantial national debt, among other factors.

The primary reason is because the capitalist class is the dominant force in society, it is never in their material interests to transition to socialism. The ruling class has never given up its power peacefully, whether it be slave societies, feudal kings, etc.

There are many factors that become an outgrowth of that though,

Like the political division you mentioned is real. It’s not the primary reason but it’s still because the electoral system, which was built up and founded with the material interests of the bourgeois in mind, will never been a true method to achieve change for the working class.

So yes voting for two capitalist parties within an electoral system created by and ran by capitalists will fundamentally never work unless changed completely.

However a capitalist party chooses to paint itself and appear to the masses is irrelevant. It’s not to say that the ruling class within competing capitalist parties all agree 100%, they still have their own interests and how they want to see or maintain the interests of capital. But that should be of second thought when lookin at their actions.

Things like the National Debt aren’t necessarily a reason why, that’s just a reflection of the position the capitalist class in America (richest country on earth) occupies and the costs it takes to maintain it. Most of that debt is owned by the American people

you know s*** changed when people don’t even care if you use the r slur anymore

yeap trump literally is a b**** for the zionists

This is facts honestly. S*** really does feel way different than it did a few years ago

OP is a normie

this is how people who don’t engage with political philosophy think

are they dumb, or are they just not where you are? does dismissing them out of hand advance your aims?

food for thought

On one hand the right are being extremely vocal, on the other hand I don't know if it's propaganda or what, but the 'allies' haven't done a great job not seeming extremely corny so it's kinda become a 1-2 punch

Yeah. People were f***ing exhausting from 2016-2020. Everyone on Earth decided that they were a political scientist, international relations expert, human rights expert, infectious disease expert, freedom fighter, etc.

Since we no longer have a Republican President the media has stopped sending all of their sheep into a daily panic and things have finally calmed down. They’ll rev things right back up again once a Republican candidate starts gaining momentum though.

We're on ktt nobody here is a normie

And we're on ktt who cares lol

speak for yourself bro im normal as s***

a south african nazi owns the biggest information source in the world now

psychopathic kids & teens with the occasional facebook lurkers just spewing the worst conclusions you can think of

I think the new gen realized that if you cancel everyone there’s nothing left to do lmao like everyone is a piece of s*** but that’s just life. But I do think Biden not following through with his promises have made people feel a way too

Isn't that what they said with the red takeover thing which ended 100x worse than the righties thought it would

Elon’s twitter takeover and Ye’s antisemitic crash out played a big part

It's really f***ed up to me how nobody is doing anything about that and nothing is going to happen until it's way too late

apparently, since Twitter doesn’t have a solid PR response/takedown team anymore, “israel” has been having a hard time getting pro-Palestinian content getting taken down on there (& TikTok), so it’s kinda ironic that Elon buying it led to that