Man nobody in real life is having discussion about numbers and sales like many of you KTT nerds. Most americans don't probably even know who has the #1 song on the BB100 right now

Advertisers might use numbers to market something but music sales and charts as a whole isn't a subject of discussion for most people IRL. People just listen to the music they like. Do you think he average person know who has the biggest streaming week on spotify in 2018 or the most #1 album on the BB200 or what DAMN, Views or Astroworld sold first Week ? Some of y'all are really delusional.

Nah people definitely talk about numbers. It’s just that nobody in person will harp about “mysterious music” and s*** like that. KTT and Twitter make people excessively annoying about that s*** for some reason. Probably because it gets free likes.

Like if you insult someone’s music for being “mysterious” on KTT, it becomes a whole thread of people reply and like bombing each other and s***. It’s free attention. If you do that in person everybody will just ignore you and talk about something else.

What makes you think I care about sales?

But anyway...

Yes, I am 100% sure that the existence of Billboard charts, and the top charts page on every single streaming platform, in the immediate view of the public is just because they want these things to be transparent.

I'm sure Billboard puts 17,000 magazines into national circulation every single week out of the kindness of their hearts because they know nobody IRL cares about numbers

I'm sure the 15+ million unique monthly visitors to Billboard's website is literally all people on Twitter and KTT, and absolutely nobody in real life

I'm sure that iTunes had a big "Top Selling Songs & Albums" window on the shop's home page from its debut to closure just for s***s and giggles, because clearly it wouldn't boost the sales of the things in those lists, since nobody IRL cares about numbers

Advertisers might use numbers to market something but music sales and charts as a whole isn't a subject of discussion for most people IRL.

Very potent self-ether

only thing CLOSE to numbers i’ve ever heard discussed irl when people say cole went double plat w no features

Eminem and Lil Wayne fans used to argue about numbers all the time. and still do.

And don't you dare say "Dark Side of the Moon isn't one of the best albums ever" in public, or else 15 people minimum will swarm you from all directions and yell "It's the highest selling album of all time, how is it not one of best ever!?!?"

You didn't answer my question do you think the average person know who has the biggest streaming week on spotify or apple in 2018 or what astroworld, Damn and Views sold first week ? Do your friends and your parents know s*** like that ?

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Billboard isn't even in the top 100 most visited website. A site like wowhead have more visitors than billboard does that mean everybody IRL care about World of Warcraft ?

People don't care about s*** like that in real life, i can't believe i'm even arguing about such an obvious matter.

I talk about music with my friends all the time irl and I don’t think we’ve ever talked about an albums first week sales lol

Not being in the top 100 websites isn't a mark of irrelevance when there are millions of websites...

I also never said "everybody", or even most do — I argued against you saying "nobody" IRL cares, which is objectively wrong given the use of numbers as a tool for advertising (even before the internet existed).

You're trying to say that since I think its dumb to say "nobody IRL cares about numbers" (which it is), then I must believe the polar opposite is true. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers and hope that you recover from this severe brain poison that has plagued your mental functions.

“online people don’t exist irl”

“the people who discuss things online often care about those topics more than people who don’t”

shocking revelations

Neither do me and my friends, but that also doesn't mean nobody does

Also this lmao. I cant believe so many people are still using this 2005-era rhetoric today.

it’s literally 2020. everybody is online.

I’m sure people do but it’s probably a very very very very small percentage of music listeners.

Mathematics out now

Calculus out now

Physics out now

The promotion of charts and marketing products as "best sellers" suggests it's not a very very very very small percentage. Why would these things be so prominent if they didn't produce worthwhile financial results for the industry?

Everybody is online but not to the same degree. There’s levels to it

Even our "things" are online lol

This is a bad argument. Companies are always gonna promote what sells the most or what’s most popular because that’s just how s*** works.

Book sellers have best seller sections too. That doesn’t mean most readers are having debates based on what author sells more lol

You're doing the same thing as OP — thinking that I'm saying "most" people do this because I don't think "nobody" or a "very very small percent" do.

People not debating sales with each other =/= people not caring about sales.

"That's just how things work" is the actual bad argument... That's not even an argument, it's not even saying anything. Yeah, it's "just how things work" because it translates to additional sales because enough consumers consider popularity as a factor when deciding what to listen to/buy

Say the dude who was talking about billboard having millions of visitors just minutes ago to prove a point. I guess numbers only matter if they validate your opinions. If we judge things solely on numbers i guess people IRL care more about world of warcraft than billboard.

Now you're playing with words. Obviously there is people IRL that care about music sales, like there is people IRL that care about MMORPG or Apiculture. I'm just saying that most people don't care about charts and sales to the same extent as twitter stans and KTT users, everybody here understood that except your dumbass.

agree with your point, but sales figures give greater glamour to books and movies (don't forget "box office smashes!") than they do music. why that is is a more interesting discussion.