I wouldn't even say Modern Rap music, but niggas really should leave that gangster s*** alone

The best example of that would be the story of 2Pac and how his thug life persona ultimately led to his self destruction.

y’all forget what site y’all on?

“man killing some wack s***…oh I forgot except for when niggas is rapping”

I honestly love d*** raps, but they're also detrimental to one's mentality, especially the teenage demographic.

The responsibility is ultimately up to the parents, but some niggas aren't blessed with parents to teach them right and wrong, coupled in with peer pressure, it's very easy for a young adult to have their perception of the world f***ed up by the media. Not just hip hop of course, though it's an easy target because of how popular it is.

To be clear, I’m not talking about rap music motivating people too be violent and sell d****. At a more basic level, It just feels kind of empty and draining to listen to music that focuses on satisfying your ego/most base desires all the time

Positive hip hop is out there at all commercial levels

I know a nigga who grew up with two parents and the suburban house and all the typical s*** and died getting robbed for weed not long after we graduated hs

People definitely downplay how much rap normalizes certain things to people who don’t have to go down certain paths. But no one wants to have the convo because of all the people who would already be living like that without rap music

There's plenty of positive rap music being released right now

you tried to cherry pick “good” rap songs from today and still got suburban vacation Bible study face ass Travis Scott promoting gun violence and “getting a teardrop” even in his “woke” song

Prime example. Lmao same for childish drake and Kanye. S*** has permeated even to the “artsy alternative” artists

What I'm gonna list off every album like why would I do that? Y'all also s*** on anything that doesn't sound immediately accessible so that limits the scope of what can even be posted

And imagine ignoring all of the other tracks I listed lol jesus christ dude just say you hate rap

I also never posted Drake or f***ing Childish Gambino lol are you ed?

I love rap I just think it’s bullshit to pretend s*** hasn’t gotten exponentially crazier since Chief Keef

Even sicker that a lot of these hipster types who are on this “rap is harmless” s*** aren’t black and don’t have younger relatives who are directly affected by these tropes. Niggas don’t understand the difference between having someone like 07 Ye as a role model vs. Drake being in that same position (alternative artsy black mainstream rapper) a decade later pretending to be a mob boss lol. That don’t even get into s*** like Chief Keef and yb and the effect that has had on the young black zeitgeist as a whole

But f*** it this s*** is already too far gone lol

Edit: lol @ that part about childish and drake and you not understanding and me being the one that’s Ed

Lmfaooo

Side note is codeine crazy too old to be considered modern rap music now

Music artists aren't role models lol

that’s cute but unfortunately they often temporarily become that for young black men

Lmaoo at filling rap culture with all of the things young black men love and then going “yeah but we’re not your role model”

nobody wants to have a real conversation because you like how rappers dress and how their voice sounds. get it out the back of your throat nigga

Killing oops

All I'll say is at least we can agree that it's unfortunate for anybody to find celebrities as role models save for the sliver of truly exceptional human beings who are also entertainers. I mean we're quite literally talking about less than 20 people at that point at best.

I'm not obtuse to the fact that extremely negative content is promoted by the record industry in hip hop. It's not a coincidence either. But I think we should divorce the art form and art it yields from the commodity form that impacts how art becomes promoted. There's been such a boom in top notch conscious hip hop and just chill but relatively apolitical hip hop that writing off all these great projects while focusing on a small minority of "problematic" artists is a disservice to the music genre of hip hop.

The problem is too many rappers that aren’t in streets are rapping about street s***.

I think that if someone is only listening to music (rap or otherwise although I don’t make that qualification to deny the particular way certain rap exemplifies this) that focuses on that sort of stuff, it probably accompanies an antisocial mindset although I wouldn’t necessarily call it causal exactly. Sometimes it surely can be/has been

Not only for the obvious reasons is it antisocial but I think that in general it’s prosocial in a meta way to be exposed to a variety of different musical or artistic or even sensory influences. Reminds one of how broad the horizons are. Of course listening to black murder music 24/7 is going to be antisocial in a more acute way than, like, only listening to ornette Coleman and free jazz, but both can prob put you in a mindset that closes you off to certain socialities

yeah because the problematic minority are non coincidentally who are pushed to the forefront of rap culture. lol f*** the fact that multimillion dollar deals are made off the ability for rap music to influence AMERICA’s mind let alone young black children… if you’ve ever been a young black boy you know that at some point rappers and athletes are very much who decides what’s “cool” to you. If you’ve never been in that position as a young black child it’s kinda bullshit to say “rappers shouldn’t be role models” as again they completely target young black men with all of the things they love only to turn around and pretend to be confused when people attribute that responsibility of influence on rap music. S***s ridiculous and sad and again is rooted in some weird hipster d*** riding of rap that detached from the actual consequences of the tropes it promotes

bfb da packman voice HELLO!

Nothing to add to this thread other than RAOTY GANGER by Detroit mogul Veeze is out now

This too outside of the actual negative mentalities it promotes that affects others it subtly boils our worth as young niggas to always just chasing money or b****es. Not saying I listen to Kirk Franklin or some s*** tho

The biggest rapper in the world is a pedo that texts 12 year old girls and boasts about going through women’s purses and making fun of Meg The Stallion getting shot

Does that answer your question OP?

I mean even a love song about finding the perfect partner is a bit of the same thing, because it's pretty much unattainable for anyone unless you're very lucky

rap music just gets branded like this because it's a bunch of niggas creating it and getting paid

Madonna made thot music and got branded an entertainment icon

most Rock music is pretty much about depression, self destruction through substances, and heartbreak

Country music is not entirely negative but plenty of country songs are odes to small town values like alcoholism and being a hard working person in the struggle. kinda parallel to trap music fr.

I don't think most forms of music with Lyrics are intended to be good for your spirit at all though. it's so that people in pain can experience someone else's to wallow in, or to experience an escape from the situation they're in with a dopamine burst.

what music doesn't fit that description of satisfying base desires though?

Madonna got a TON of s*** at her time. She is literally one of the most controversial artists of all time

Also I don’t think topics of depression, d*** abuse and heartbreak are toxic themes or remotely comparable to degrading women, glorifying gun and d*** culture, and glamorizing male toxicity. Not to say there isn’t clearly very problematic and toxic songs in rock but those themes in particular can be sung in very therapeutic ways that can be good for the spirit of those who have gone through similar s***. There’s a reason you see tons of people talk about how Kid Cudi saved their life but nobody would ever say the same for Future (even if he has songs like Codeine Crazy, for the most part he is guilty of very toxic ideologies in the genre)

You normally can find toxic stuff in every genre but I don’t think these ideas have ever been at the forefront of a genre quite like hip hop before.