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  • Oct 22, 2020
    No Color

  • hot pancakes

    damn this thread got me feeling old as s*** lmao

    youth is overrated tbh

  • Bill

    Its been a ramp up, obviously people in their 20s now probably are biased to newer projects more than the older gen but I absolutely think the newer gen is much quicker to deem importance to projects that have barely existed for more than a few years or leven less time than that. People are still listening to Man on the Moon 10 years later, and even Rodeo 5 years later, but will the newer gen still be listening to ? a few years from now?

    not really, thesedays when you're young you think the hottest thing out is the most important across all sorts of levels whether it's travis scotch tape or 100 gecs or still mr kid cudi

  • MORENAA 💜
    Oct 22, 2020
    FKA STUFF

    Is the implication we (older gen) had/have a primacy bias?

    I think the implication is there is more room for a proliferation of primacy biases.

    You could argue, cause of the internet

  • Oct 22, 2020

    I remember growing up in the 00s around people, the mentality was a lot more based on the old thing always being better than anything new

    10s has definitely shifted in that regard. Even bands like Blink 182 or Linkin Park that were universally slammed in the 00s are actually pretty well liked now. I think its definitely a sign that people are more open to admitting what individually connected to them back then and embracing the music of their time rather than just liking something cuz some hipsters say so.

    I wouldn't really call it a recency bias. I think its moreso that people are finally appreciating what it really means to impact the modern culture on such a large scale with a new movement. Everybody gives Soulja Boy and Lil B their props now, but back in the late 00s, people s*** on them nonstop.

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    rx friendly ghost

    a world in which loopy fisaco and big sean are still being discussed is horrific the kids discussing actual good current pop rap songs is so much better

    Lupe Fiasco is good

  • Oct 22, 2020
    rx friendly ghost

    plus these people were hailing lasers as classic and big sean garbage ass albums as classic and kid cudi indicud as misunderstood classic all those years ago, f*** em

    Nobody one earth thinks Lasers is a classic.

  • Oct 22, 2020
    FKA STUFF

    Is the implication we (older gen) had/have a primacy bias?

    I guess that would really be the bias for the newer gen since they haven't had enough exposure to enough music yet to form "good opinions" about albums that they love or even like at the time. Primacy bias is def another angle to this whole conversation that goes hand in hand with how fast music is releasing to make projects not even 2 years old feel like they were released a decade ago, warping the perception of time and making people feel like these albums have already earned the "classic" status.

  • MORENAA 💜
    Oct 22, 2020
    PNW

    Lupe Fiasco is good

    think its a bait post

  • Oct 22, 2020
    rx friendly ghost

    plus these people were hailing lasers as classic and big sean garbage ass albums as classic and kid cudi indicud as misunderstood classic all those years ago, f*** em

    Sounds like the people today saying Wunna is a classic

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    No because ppl lose their minds and distort context when talking about classics in this generation

    You're comparing potential classics of this generation with the classics of old. The older of which, had a lot of context that made it easier for it to be a classic. You only could access the music on radio, TV, cassette, or like vinyl. Most importantly, what it took to be an artist was a lot harder, so as a result there weren't as many acts.

    Basically older generation of music monopolized ears and eyes in a way that's impossible to do today. There's just sooooo much music that you can't really live with the music in a way that older people did.

    We need to change what makes a classic. Newer generation does not have recency bias, they're just labeling classics under the new standard.

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    every time someone makes a thread like this its full of anecdotal evidence used to construct an image that things suck now. i have no doubt that kids from every generation call things classics that probably don't deserve the title

  • Oct 22, 2020
    hot pancakes

    people who like Cudi are considered old Gen now?

    I don’t think anyone 20-23 is old gen. Those are the ages of the people now who witnessed Cudi in his prime. And grew up wit the current rap scene

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    Shasta Fey

    every time someone makes a thread like this its full of anecdotal evidence used to construct an image that things suck now. i have no doubt that kids from every generation call things classics that probably don't deserve the title

    Already said in OP this has always been a thing, I’m just saying in this generation, it’s much more prevalent. Social media specifically is where you see all these hot takes ring off and get a lot of traction for albums / artists that may not even have relevance or even career longevity into the next few years.

  • Oct 22, 2020

    No one is going to be able to monopolize ears and eyes the way Gaye did w/here my dear, or Cooke with Night beat, where there were so little ears (relatively speaking) that it was much easier to condition the masses, thereby creating the necessary culture for a classic.

    Have to modernize what a classic is in 2020.

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    Bill

    Already said in OP this has always been a thing, I’m just saying in this generation, it’s much more prevalent. Social media specifically is where you see all these hot takes ring off and get a lot of traction for albums / artists that may not even have relevance or even career longevity into the next few years.

    then wouldn't it just be that social media has given a voice to people who previously didn't really have one in music discourse? Like I know plenty of those sorts of people irl who hype up mid, the difference is they couldn't reach anyone outside of their irl friend circle with their takes

  • Oct 22, 2020
    Shasta Fey

    then wouldn't it just be that social media has given a voice to people who previously didn't really have one in music discourse? Like I know plenty of those sorts of people irl who hype up mid, the difference is they couldn't reach anyone outside of their irl friend circle with their takes

    Yeah thats completely valid, its almost impossible to know what your average joe shmo felt about the new hip hop music dropping in the 90s-early 2000s because they didnt have a voice to be heard before. But I would say even in my gen (mid 20s now) the amount of people deeming albums as "classics" soon after releasing over overly stating the impact of certain albums from our gen was not as common as it is now and we were in the in between of social media becoming a part of everyday life.

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    ClanWay

    No because ppl lose their minds and distort context when talking about classics in this generation

    You're comparing potential classics of this generation with the classics of old. The older of which, had a lot of context that made it easier for it to be a classic. You only could access the music on radio, TV, cassette, or like vinyl. Most importantly, what it took to be an artist was a lot harder, so as a result there weren't as many acts.

    Basically older generation of music monopolized ears and eyes in a way that's impossible to do today. There's just sooooo much music that you can't really live with the music in a way that older people did.

    We need to change what makes a classic. Newer generation does not have recency bias, they're just labeling classics under the new standard.

    Thats a good take, you cant ignore the ability of people to access music compared to before when you didnt get those types of options (like I said in OP). And it is always the losing battle to argue the classics of the old and new generation cause there is absolutely a new standard because music listening is so different now compared to before. Could really just be the argument of "What makes an album a classic in 2020 compared to the old concept of a classic."

  • Oct 22, 2020
    No Color

    I mean yeah. You said it yourself, with how fast paced everything is these days, it’s inevitable.

    Plus you have social media encouraging groupthink n all that

    It is what it is though, I think a lot of it is just for fun. Being excited in the moment

  • Oct 22, 2020

    tbh tho, most people just s***post and say dumb s*** for likes and s***.

  • Oct 22, 2020

    It’s an age old debate, though, isn’t it? As much as you could argue recency bias you can just as easily argue nostalgia bias.

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    I thought this was a joke thread based on the title. I was like "damn, OP made a clever statement". Nope, completely by accident.

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    Mango

    I thought this was a joke thread based on the title. I was like "damn, OP made a clever statement". Nope, completely by accident.

    I made the statement and backed it up with why I feel that way (the state of music listening / discourse today), bias isnt a always a bad thing, you just have to acknowledge it

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    Bill

    I made the statement and backed it up with why I feel that way (the state of music listening / discourse today), bias isnt a always a bad thing, you just have to acknowledge it

    I don't think you get it.

    "Is the most recent generation showing more recency bias"

    That is recency bias lol. I know you aren't 50 years old. You've experienced likely 1 generation if that with a fully formed brain.

  • Oct 22, 2020
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    Im still confused. Do the kids today consider My Turn and EA classics?