I think you’re talking about the SAT or the ACT

This test they want to get rid of is given in the 8th/9th grade and determines whether or not you get accepted to some of the best high schools in the city

Think the SAT is gonna be having similar talks in the future tho

Oh yeah wtf is this s*** our school districts dont have enough money to even think about doing that

I mean, what is the alternative? People who say that they should care less about test scores and look at things more "holistically" forget that half the time that winds up meaning that the people who get into schools are the ones who got some fancy unpaid internship cause daddy's a stock broker. Standardized testing sucks too, but at least theres some objective sense that if you know the material, you should do well. If you get rid of that, I would bet schools would discriminate even more than they do now, or deny capable students because they don't have bullshit "qualifications" on their resume.

mb, i'm pretty abrasive at times

but yeah that's something i'm curious about

@NiceLikeChrist , in NYC is it set up so that those who live in the neighborhood of a nice high school don't have to test in for admission? also, are the nicer high schools in white neighborhoods?

that's kinda the setup in chicago. we have to test into the good public high-schools too

We have school zones and such but the way it's set up here with high schools giving you free metro cards a lot of kids don't go to their zoned school

There aren't many schools that make you test in for admission. Most you just apply with your middle school credentials and see where you get accepted

It creates this weird thing where some of the best schools are in bad neighborhoods (Bronx High School of Science) and some of nice areas of Manhattan actually have some pretty bad schools

I'd say generally the wealthier areas have better schools tho

it should be a factor in determining who gets to attend these schools, it shouldn't be the whole picture though

also kinda probably shouldnt be weighed as heavy when kids are super young

wouldn't standardized testing be not oppressive relative to using gpa since it's uniform for everyone, while something like gpa would be, where kids who go to private schools can get high gpas because the school creates a high average, while public school kids don't get the same quality of education (sometimes) or gpa push

I know s*** like sat isn't perfect either because you can get extra training, but at the end of the day admitting students based on their actual performance and not whatever their school has arbitrarily raised their gpas to seems more fair if the goal is to admit the most academically capable students who apply. If that's the goal, what's the best other option?

yeah f*** collegeboard

I do well in school because I prioritize school.

A lot of schools in lower income areas in the US are quite s***ty from my understanding

Also, I support getting rid of tests such as the SAT and ACT. We don’t do that in Canada and we’re more than fine. When your applying to University, your grade 12 grades are the only thing that matters.

Is it cultural? Or is it that a lot of the Asian people who move their family to America are well enough to 1. Move your entire family to another country and 2. Pay for private tutors/school?

And because you live a life that affords you the time and resources required to succeed in school.

I'm indian fam my family isnt well off at all My dad still bought me a bunch of act review books and got me a few hours with a tutor because he sees that as the bare minimum

I've seen so many white kids with far more money than me who don't do any of that. And they actually had the money to go take the test multiple times, and didn't take advantage of it. So yes i think it is cultural

That's still money for books and a tutor that a single parent or whoever may not have.

I know black people that have went to the worse schools in my city and are now lawyers.

How do you explain Nigerians then tho? Some come here with money but some also come here poor too yet they excel in education

Parents need to prioritize education and getting grades. A child can do that on their own but that push from their family really helps.

It definitely is, but culture is partially a factor too

Like i said i see white kids with all the money in the world who don't use it to prepare for these tests because its not important to their culture

I am purely speaking from personal experience but me n the other asian kids at my high school had to study hard af

Education should be based around creativity and invention, not regurgitating information. I figured out what was required of me growing up and saw the whole thing as a game to take advantage of. My grades were always top notch but I never saw myself as especially intelligent. Now I'm a teacher because I want students to approach school the right way and use their resources well.

Project-based learning with collaborative elements that focus on developing communities is the way to go. That requires engaged educators who will utilize those elements within an occasionally skill-based framework like mathematics and will work to ensure appropriate grading rubrics, but it's worth the challenges in the long run.

pblworks.org/what-is-pbl

marshall.edu/ctl/community-engagement/what-is-service-learning

The end goal of education is to equip kids with the skills and knowledge they need to succeed in life. Not everyone learns the same way, but everyone learns better if they're engaged with what they're doing. You're only tapping into a small percent of someone's attention if you're just asking them to memorize s***.

Standardized testing is dumb af. Not just because it's a completely backwards ass way of testing a child's intelligence, but in most instances they only end up hurting a school. Kids can intentionally fail that s*** and while they may have to do a summer school or take a remedial class, most times (especially in the instance of a private school) the school takes a massive hit in regards to funding. I've seen at least four schools near me go under due to lack of funding. The main catalyst being poor standardized testing scores.

F***ers basically took themselves out because after awhile the testing wasn't deemed mandatory anymore by the county/state. They just kept it in place as a means to potentially generate money and it backfired

Yes but in a way that builds character

No it's not oppressive but it's certainly trash. Colleges use a holistic approach anyways until u apply for grad school. I don't think grad standardized testing is bad at all though

the way nyc does school never made sense to me. forces way too much on kids at too young an age.

everything these days is violence

people itt really look at a graph of asian students excelling over other groups and say its a racist stereotype