so what should they use 🙄

That’s not what standardized test measure lmfao they’re basically intelligence and reasoning tests

Yes. They're also incredibly stupid and counterproductive.

My public high school actually gave kids the answers to tests so they could say they were the best school in the state

standardized tests literally just test if you’ve seen certain patterns before

they’re not about intelligence, they’re about exposure

get rid of them

only standardized tests we need are for college. since taking a test to get in for each college would suck.

I mean yea without a fact

It’s literally a fact that poorer kids score less

Economically things were quite tough when I was in hs and i only managed to get a 27 on the ACT after 3 tries. And I consider myself someone who’s quite intelligent circumstances aside. Imagine the average person.

The average upper middle class kid has numerous tutors, good schools, not to mention just how much a stable environment contributes to success

Many countries don’t have this system at all.

I know canada is based just on your highschool average, not even all 4 yrs just the last 2. It means there’s less elitism among the top unis and even the more prestigious ones like mcgill and uoft you can still get into their general ed/humanities programs with like an 80% average.

Compare that with the US where u got all these crazy hard tests, you gotta be a volunteer for homeless people since age 14, sports teams PLUS a high gpa etc

27 is still above average maybe you just arnt as smart as you think.

we have better universities in usa. also as of right now theres no other way to compare a 4.0 at different high schools without SAT/ACT. elitism is needed especially if we want to make college free. you need to have ways to differentiate people which is a good thing.

A 27 is like the top 13 percent of all scorers. It’s not harvard level where they expect a 33-36 but it’s definitely a tier below

I’m pretty intelligent, smart enough to know how unfair the system was and how much of a disadvantage i was at studying this foreign ass test by myself with a $30 amazon book on a tiny desk

This was pretty normal in the inner city highschool I attended. These tests don’t serve everyone

If we don't record the results of material disparity, then we fix the problem!

Mans just said inequality IS a good thing

when did i say "inequality was a good thing"

I said it's important to be able to differentiate between people. SAT/ACT are a good way to differentiate between two 4.0 students for example.

You still scored relatively high. dont blame the system because you didnt do as well as you thought. take it as a humbling opportunity

No not really

The US higher ed system is f***ed and a pipeline for elitism and nepotism, the smartest kids aren’t attending ivy leagues, the richest and whitest are

We should stop funding these private schools, increase funding for flagship state unis and state colleges and then make tuition free

The top schools will still naturally arise based on gpa requirements and research and what not.

What we don’t need is what we currently have which is this unnecessaryily difficult system that advantages the rich and privileged

Yea my point is i did THAT while going through a tumultuous environment and attending a bad school now imagine if me and the other kids in my school had the advantages the kids in the richer district had?

But even then just do away with the whole test bcus standardized testing will always be unjust as long as poverty and inequality exists

"the smartest kids aren’t attending ivy leagues, the richest and whitest are"

blatantly false

"We should stop funding these private schools, increase funding for flagship state unis and state colleges and then make tuition free"

agree, agree, disagree

tuition shouldn't be free but it should be lower. (If you do well in highschool you can get scholarships)

You keep missing the point that SAT/ACT are used to differentiate students with similar gpa as well.

some "bad schools" get more funding and resources than some "good schools" part of it is cultural. You could be at that "good school" and still score the same.

And my point is that problem is largely obsolete

The variation of two 4.0 students isn’t massive

The one student in my pretty bad highschool that had a 4.0 and was valedictorian scored a 30 on the ACT. You might think 30 and 33, or 35 is a big difference, personally i dont

My point is the kids that do really well in highschool are already naturally intelligent and already will adapt well in college too.

Canadian top schools don’t need SAT or ACT to find and admit the top students. Sure uoft isn’t harvard on the rankings but it’s still a top 20 school in the world with groundbreaking research, pedagogy and all that

variation btwn 2 4.0 students is on the school, so it could be massive and it could be tiny, but variation is absolutely there and it isn't accurate to categorize it as small

the rich/white thing ain't too blatantly false

those schools def have a lot of rich students. they're generally diverse enough, still w/ lower representation of black students but those schools try pretty hard to achieve diversity for good reasons and for image reasons

but the wealth is pretty common there, except it isn't just the white ppl who are wealthy

and it's also probably true that some of the smartest kids aren't there and in their place are rich kids instead. however it's by no means a sham; most there will be smart or very smart

"The variation of two 4.0 students isn’t massive"

i highly disagree two 4.0 from different highschool could mean way different things especially since grade inflation is so rampant. you can go to one school and get a 3.5 and be in the middle but at another a 4.0 and be a top student

I agree 30 and 33 on act is minimal

canada also has less people and more standardized highschool grading compred to usa.

this 4.0 variation is huge.