Exactly. Sah used the exact flow that is now considered the 'Gunna flow' on SANDAS. Thug has never used this exact flow

Never knew that tbh

Yeah it's cause those early mixtapes are pretty hard to find online so most people havent really heard. But even some tracks on Long Live Mexico, if u listen and keep in mind the FACT that Keed is (or at least was) a Sah fan, they clearly sound more Sah influenced than Thug influenced

Killy
Nav
Nessly
Don Toliver
Migos
Lil Tjay
Rae Sremurd
Trippie Red

Also Boogie with A Hoodie and SmokePurpp

you're the 2nd to say Nav. Do u have any specific tracks u think Nav sounds like him? Personally his autotune style sounds way way more like speaker knockerz to me than Travis

A boogie is also a speaker knockers son not travis

The bros in college are definitely under the trav flu

That’s why I always thought the topic was overrated. You could say Kanye and Kendrick have less influence in terms of artistry than a Young Thug, Chief Keef, or Future. Wouldn’t you agree that the reason for that isnt because Kanye and Kendrick make “generic and watered down” music, but rather because it’s easier to successfully copy the sounds of the latter artists and make a career off of that?

Champions and Call me.

No. I'd argue it's because Keef and Thug had way more unique/revolutionary sounds than someone like Ye or Kendrick. When aspiring artists (or artists in general) hear something new and unique, they want to try it too

That’s a given, but you said “successful artists... that sound like Travis clones”. The fact that so many artists can jump in the game and literally build a career off of sounding like another nigga, be accepted, and in some cases even be more successful than the artist they’re a clone of (when desiigner got a #1 record before Future lmao) says a lot. It shouldn’t be that easy

The reason a Kanye/Kendrick/Travis don’t have many successful clones is because they’re just too hard to copy imo

woah woah u not slick throwing travis in there with kanye and kendrick lmfao. I maaaaaybe agree with what you said about them being hard to copy, but Travis would literally be one of the easiest artist to copy. Literally everything he's made since Birds sounds the same lol its just a formula

(i definitely dont agree about ye or kendrick either tho but i can see how you'd argue that. not at all for travis tho lmfao)

Nope but top 3 last decade

kanye and kendrick yes travis no

I added him in there with Kanye and Kendrick because they’re all artists who are criticized for not having enough clones. Also, if he’s so easy to copy why doesn’t he have any successful clones who threaten to take his lane from him like Future and Thug have had

I mean his lane is frat-rap That's my whole point of it being generic/watered down. It doesnt make anyone hear it and go "damn i needa try this" (and obviously i know that 'anyone' isnt true, but i think the difference is that Thug/Keef/people like that have a sound so unique that it inspired SO MANY people to want to try it, to the point where there were bound to be some that made it big time)

That’s cool but now you have to elaborate. You can’t copy a Kanye album because the production value of his music is too expensive and he works with the best artists in the world to help him bring ideas to life, that’s exactly how Travis approaches music, therefore it’s too hard to copy a Travis album as well

I just don't think travis is unique enough or has as much substance as the other guys to put him in that same stratosphere as those guys. He's not even really a producer nor does he have that much lyrical quality

Frat rap is synonymous with “popular music”, you can call literally anything, including Young Thug and Chief Keef frat rap

look his music is fine for the most part but I think me and a lot of people grew out of his s*** years and years ago. I just don't see an uber talented artist like a lot of his newer fans portray him as

Nooo. Yeah it's technically the same concept of bringing a bunch of talented people together to work on your project, but Kanye albums have all these people together bringing their true artistry to the table. With Travis, they're trying to make mainstream, radio friendly hits (talking about Astroworld here), and the result is a majority of the songs sounding very very similar

Im a massive thug stan and id consider a lot of SMF to be frat rap, yeah, but not 99% of Thug. Keef hell f***ing no lol outside of Faneto, Love Sosa, etc, but 95% of Keef's discog is so so so far from being frat rap

This conversation isn’t about quality and substance though, it’s about who and why these artists have the least clones. I offered my take on why these three artists have the least clones but are still so successful, and why those three artists have the most clones who are very successful, so much so that they’ve literally been surpassed by their own clones at one point.

It sounds like you just don’t like his music as much as theirs and thats fine but that’s not what we’re talking about