capitalism does not need "lobbies", lobbies are simply an outsized effect of having a capitalist-imperialist government. the system sustains itself under these pretenses but they are an effect, not a cause.

Do you think Labor Party in Uk will make a policy change?

Is the US, lobbying is THE way to make sure the government works for your interest.

Again, if lobbying isn't as important, then these billionaires and cooperations wouldn't be dropping literally 10s of millions of dollars every election cycle.

Especially the Israeli lobby, which has significantly increased their funding the last 2 election cycles, coz to maintain their influence in Congress and have people go out and vote for their chosen candidate simply costs more money today than it did decades ago.

No. Keir Starmer is as pro zionist as Biden/Trump.

Sad that Putin didn't actually arm the houthis. But hopefully they won't need it

Here's my disagreement with your thinking. Whether zionists are secondary or not in the US imperialist structure, is not really relevant. I don't think he was making an antisemitic conspiracy of zionist influence. Just saying it's clear and apparent. If people are opposed to Zionism, I'll generally be in alliance with them, but of course hope they understand what Zionism means and have the right intentions. Also calling for someone to be banned is kindve hysterical

bro he's an open antisemite and the mods dont ban him because he's some scumbag persian diaspora liberal and its bad optics I guess. I'm jewish dog, dont play with me.

Why would you think there was ever a possibility of this lol

lobbying has nothing to do with america's support of zionism, which is automatic since both countries are settler colonies and were formed out of a similar primitive accumulation. do you truly believe american imperialism is the result of campaign donors picking one white supremacist over another? I somehow doubt it.

I forgot Putin and his ilk don't have balls

Who enforces US imperialism? rich and powerful billionaires and multi-millioniares.

How do they enforces it? They spend millions on lobbying groups every election cycle to make sure corrupted politicians are put on Congress and elected as presidents to further their agenda.

Why do they do it? So they continue to get richer and remain powerful.

Downplaying the power of lobbying is ridiculous honestly. There is reasons to why s*** happens lol.

you dont get it and honestly I'm over trying to explain basic concepts, just think a little harder about what I'm saying. I know what youre saying is the Bernie Sanders "common sense" idea but its wrong, capitalism-imperialism isnt some conspiracy by rich people that would disappear with more democracy. its a system that everyone in the imperial core participates in and therefore perpetuates. it can only be broken through revolution.

"lobbying" within the framework of bourgeois governments can't be compared to grassroots lobbying that actual proletarian states engaged in

the average person can't afford to lobby in the first place, they are completely locked out of the system unless they and several other people pool together millions just to offset one or two billionaires

the point is, lobbying is just a way for bourgeoisie to further their interests and protect their assets within capitalism. Its not necessarily "needed" but it helps to settle disputes between the ruling class, and also America thinks since Exxon Mobile or Apple isn't directly writing a check to the federal government saying bribe, that its legal and totally democratic

You can't compare what the US calls lobbying to actual groups from various sectors of the working class wanting political representation

Lobbying also isn't needed because corporations, billionaires, can just make think tanks and endowement funds who the campaign they want anyway. There are various ways for the rich to get the policies they want in power

How is lobbying part of "democracy"?

It's how this works. There isn't an invisible enemy called "capitalism" and "imperialism" that rules over the country. Its literally billionaires that spend millions on politican campaigns and mainstream media to get their agenda across and make people vote for their interest. It's how this works.

True, and lobbying is a major way how they do it.

And true, the average person can't "lobby" because the average person can't afford it. The rich will simply always outspend whatever people donate.

There is no reason to downplay lobbying. It is an important tool for the rich and powerful and the reason why they keep donating to lobbying groups.

no, its not, you have Bernie Sanders' understanding of how the system works. capitalism is a self-sustaining system, the capitalist is as much of a slave to the system as the worker. this is actually critical to Marx's understanding of capitalism vs the utopian socialists who preceded him who believed exactly what youre saying.

What do you mean by "self-sustaining" lol, this will never make any sense.

There is forces at play here. This isnt an invisible 'enemy". The rich spend millions to make billions in return. Its a common tactic that works. These people have conferences and meeting to raise funds for these type of things. They donate so much money every election year to "sustain" this system.

It isn't just something that just happened and continues to happen out of nothingness. There is reasons lol.

Leftist movements keep losing because leftist movements do not have mainstream media coverage that favors them, and don't have rich/powerful people to back them. You gotta understand how important proganda and campaigns are in politics.

ngl I'm sort of just talking past you at this point. sorry but I can't summerize the basics of karl marx for you, you need to start from scratch and forget what you think you know.

Imma be real. I think you live in fiction and ignoring reality.

You gotta understand the business that goes around to form policies and elects presidents and maintains the system that is today's status quo.

axios.com/2024/05/30/trump-billionaire-donors-adelson-musk-ackman

nytimes.com/2024/06/25/us/politics/miriam-adelson-trump-israel.html

I dont know what youre trying to say bro. "billionaires" do not control the system, elections in the US exist to peacefully solve petty squabbles between factions of the bourgeoisie. you could not only eliminate billionaire party donations but also the two parties themselves and the system would still exist. overthrowing capitalism requires a revolution.

you haven't stumbled upon some hidden knowledge by pointing out the fact that lobbyists exist, youre not jon stewart and its not 2005 anymore. people nowadays generally have a superior understanding of the system than this.

What "secert knowledge"? This is obviously well known knowledge. You are the one out here acting like there is some invisible "system" that just works by its own somehow. S*** makes no sense

The rich controls this system, and maintain it using alot of tactics INCLUDING lobbying. There is no reason to act like lobbying doesn't matter, coz that s*** does matter. If it didn't thse MFs wouldn't spend 100s of millions of dollars electing MFs.

If you are gonna write me again about the invicible "self-sustaining system" that works by its own, then just ignore my post, I'm fr lol.

"Revolution". how you gonna convince people to revolt? Against who? The "self-sustaining system that maintains itself"? Lol...the phrase "eat the rich" didn't come out of nothing.

sorry dawg but this is all painfully ignorant. like you straight up just dont understand what I'm saying. its time to go back to basics.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev

yes, you can convince people to revolt against the system, its really not difficult to comprehend.

bro pulled a margaret thatcher and questioned the existence of class society itself, wild

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