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  • proper 🔩
    Jun 16, 2024
    browser
    https://twitter.com/lonelystarrd22/status/1801338535741690138

    first time i ever heard this was in the tupac duets mixtape that came out like like 20 years ago (wow im so old wtf )

  • Jun 16, 2024
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    Kojimbo

    Luda isn’t even a technical rapper though. He’s more about the charisma and punchlines

    some might consider punchlines to be technical depending on how complex we talking

  • Jun 16, 2024
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    browser

    Yeah see i had a conflicted take on this too

    Future is great but whats the point of trying to be lyrical if he gets that appreciation with just being melodic and having aesthetic context to where we believe the crazy s*** he says lol

    Its how someone like lucki will dumb down from being backpack adjacent to just wanting to be his own version of keef/future lol

    i don't think it's dumbing down tho it's just different topics and different deliveries to match different sounds

  • Jun 16, 2024
    william cubit

    some might consider punchlines to be technical depending on how complex we talking

    I’m actually not even sure what “lyricism” refers to. I always assumed it meant complex rhyme schemes. Eminem, Doom, Mos Def etc.

    Luda had bars for sure but he was never really like that so that’s what I meant

  • Jun 16, 2024
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    william cubit

    i don't think it's dumbing down tho it's just different topics and different deliveries to match different sounds

    Yeah how come this conveniently always comes with less subject matter and talking about money b****es and d**** in a post Future > Rylo/Babyface/Veeze/etc way

  • Jun 16, 2024
    browser

    name em

    https://twitter.com/italianfiesta/status/1801336320058659133

    Im mad the original tweet got deleted

  • Jun 16, 2024
    proper
    !https://youtu.be/q4swP-4g9zo?si=M2pYkLI6VY1iSisl
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    you can be an earl

    you can be a kanye

    you can be a benny the butcher

    you can be a carti

    you can be a jay z

    you can be a nas

    you can be a future

    you can be a sexyy red

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    browser

    Yeah how come this conveniently always comes with less subject matter and talking about money b****es and d**** in a post Future > Rylo/Babyface/Veeze/etc way

    because that stuff just hits harder on those beats they use.

    different instrumentals call for different emotions, subject matters, delivery, etc. the modern sound fits best with moody/distant emotions, purposefully surface level subject matter (usually implying the artist is dealing w deeper s*** but is choosing to thug it out or cry in the mansion or however else u wanna say flex thru the pain), and nonchalant delivery.

    if u look at the lyrics outside of the context of the song of course u might say there's a better way to do this. but odds are that "better way" would not match the feel of the beat nearly as well.

    thing is, when the rapper matches the beat just right, it seems effortless and it's easy to overlook. ppl only notice when there's a disconnect. but i swear that s*** takes skill, a LOT of people can't synergize w a beat like that.

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    based

  • Jun 16, 2024
    william cubit

    because that stuff just hits harder on those beats they use.

    different instrumentals call for different emotions, subject matters, delivery, etc. the modern sound fits best with moody/distant emotions, purposefully surface level subject matter (usually implying the artist is dealing w deeper s*** but is choosing to thug it out or cry in the mansion or however else u wanna say flex thru the pain), and nonchalant delivery.

    if u look at the lyrics outside of the context of the song of course u might say there's a better way to do this. but odds are that "better way" would not match the feel of the beat nearly as well.

    thing is, when the rapper matches the beat just right, it seems effortless and it's easy to overlook. ppl only notice when there's a disconnect. but i swear that s*** takes skill, a LOT of people can't synergize w a beat like that.

    sometimes i think these discussions sound like if ppl said haikus were objectively worse than other poems because they have less words and tend to focus on "simpler" stuff

  • GALAXYZ 🐉
    Jun 16, 2024
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    I think it's harder to be an interesting rapper than a good one

  • proper 🔩
    Jun 16, 2024
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    BIG early

    you can be an earl

    you can be a kanye

    you can be a benny the butcher

    you can be a carti

    you can be a jay z

    you can be a nas

    you can be a future

    you can be a sexyy red

    you can be a j-hope

  • Jun 16, 2024
    proper

    you can be a j-hope

    you can be a jay park

    you can be a rich brian

    you can be a jin

  • Jun 16, 2024
    BRAVE

    So much I wanna say but Idk where to start

    Avi looking nice

  • proper 🔩
    Jun 16, 2024
    BRAVE

    So much I wanna say but Idk where to start

    crazy it’s 6/15/2024 and we still don’t have a brave single or album release date

  • Jun 16, 2024
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    browser

    That’s so me

  • Jun 16, 2024
    Yevin

    That’s so me

    avi to post

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    william cubit

    because that stuff just hits harder on those beats they use.

    different instrumentals call for different emotions, subject matters, delivery, etc. the modern sound fits best with moody/distant emotions, purposefully surface level subject matter (usually implying the artist is dealing w deeper s*** but is choosing to thug it out or cry in the mansion or however else u wanna say flex thru the pain), and nonchalant delivery.

    if u look at the lyrics outside of the context of the song of course u might say there's a better way to do this. but odds are that "better way" would not match the feel of the beat nearly as well.

    thing is, when the rapper matches the beat just right, it seems effortless and it's easy to overlook. ppl only notice when there's a disconnect. but i swear that s*** takes skill, a LOT of people can't synergize w a beat like that.

    This is the best explanation i’ve seen of where the rap game has gone. Actual lyricism and expounding on topics has been replaced with so much subtext that im not even sure the rappers themselves are aware of. I could go so much deeper and may come back to this but its like rap/beat selection is putting together an outfit now lol or rappers and rapper lanes are like clothing brands/aesthetics

    Great post

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    This is the best explanation i’ve seen of where the rap game has gone. Actual lyricism and expounding on topics has been replaced with so much subtext that im not even sure the rappers themselves are aware of. I could go so much deeper and may come back to this but its like rap/beat selection is putting together an outfit now lol or rappers and rapper lanes are like clothing brands/aesthetics

    Great post

    yess people worry about it but it's just rap growing as an art form. we forget how new hip hop is! it's going to be awesome seeing where the music goes over the next couple decades.

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    1. A fundamentally good rapper, line by line, uses common conversation expressions in new ways to effectively communicate thoughts and capture experiences that are then imbued with greater subtext by the end rhymes.

    2. Are the end rhymes unique and satisfying, while perfectly communicating a mood? Are they memorable?

    3. Do they have an authentic black American accent when they rap?

    4. Are their flows exciting to keep up with by the breath and syllable?

    These questions have to be answered in the standards across EVERY type of rap style, from @FreddieKaneTop5 core to @Melz core to @proper core

  • Jun 16, 2024
    GALAXYZ

    I think it's harder to be an interesting rapper than a good one

    that part

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    the key is developing something that stands out more than anything and aligning the context of everything to at least create an air of believability (as stated previously itt)

    doesn’t have to be the most original thing in the world, it just has to be YOU stylistically in every single facet

    from the way you say your words to the other visual factors, etc

    you know it when you see it always

  • Jun 16, 2024

    Lore image if the artist is corny or not (both have their own fan bases for success) authenticity looks talent and while this last may be out of their control beat selection

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    BIG early

    you can be an earl

    you can be a kanye

    you can be a benny the butcher

    you can be a carti

    you can be a jay z

    you can be a nas

    you can be a future

    you can be a sexyy red