Honestly it’s impossible to truly figure out sales anymore. Streaming ruined that.

Some rappers have a higher internet following so their sales are high but if it was the era of physical albums, they would never reach that.

Hold up, those 4 albums you’re talking about sold that pure? Ok I misunderstood, it might be helpful to look at what albums did over 100k including sales and streams too tho idk

you realize billboard only introduced streaming tiers in 2018 to adjust for the growth of streaming right? digital sales are all but obsolete and there are only a few artists who have high physical sales (mostly from vinyl) so why would that be the standard for a successful first week?

yes, only 4 albums have sold over 100k pure sales first week since the new bundle policy, 2/4 from the same artist

yes i realize that lmao. because streaming is growing lmao.

again im saying units should be the standard not physical or pure idk why u don't understand

u cant compare first week sales from pre streaming its not the same. and u cant compre first week sales to stuff before october 2020 either because bundles no longer count.

okay but why would just streams be the measurement? that doesnt even make sense. there's literally no reason to change from units to just streams.

i would agree if u said streams to albums should be lower for paid streams. 1250 is still really high. riaa uses 1500 flat which is high now to.

bro the only reason sales equivalent albums exist is because when billboard first started accounting for streams on their charts sales still made up the majority of all units. it made sense to convert streams into sales equivalent albums then, but it's archaic now that streaming makes up the majority of like 95% of all artist's units.

and you don't need SEA to see how many streams are paid vs ad-supported they can just give percetanges.

it's very simple have a streaming albums chart and have a sales album chart just like we have a streaming songs chart and a sales songs chart.

still no reason to not have it be equivalent albums units. and again if it was based on total streams then youtube would be weighed the same as a paid stream. there's literally no reason to change it.

i don't think we should get rid of sales altogether just separate them like they already do with songs.

the average #1 selling song does like 5k sales any given week, as opposed to the average #1 streaming song doing like 30 million streams minimum. there's a huge distinction there and it also exists with albums so why are we using separate charts with songs but not albums?

and they can just show how many of an artist's streams came from paid vs ad-supported there's no need to convert them to SEA

they have a streaming chart already... and they have a sales chart already....

then theres an overall one as well.

"they can just show how many paid vs free"

so weight them... like they already do.

we're going to have to agree to disagree, but at least you support increasing the weight of streaming, that's a step in the right direction... it's been 3 years since they did it the last time ffs.

the whole purpose of bilboard 200 and hot 100 is to measure TOTAL consumption not just one aspect of it. @op

for example radio is factored into hot 100

Yea

weight should increase especially for hot 100 where radio is still like 40%

but conversion for paid streams should be lowered to maybe 750-1000 = 1 unit/sales

dude i understand that, and it makes complete sense to have a chart for total consumption when radio is factored like the hot 100. but the billboard 200 was a sales only chart until 2015.

it makes a lot more sense to me to have a streaming albums chart and a album sales chart instead of converting streams into SEA in a climate where streaming makes up 70% or more of the majority of artist's total units

@safe @quadra @thegreatdivine what's your take?

so do u not think youtube should be weight less?

why not do a sea units charts only then?

ofc it should be weighed less if you're going to do SEA but i think simply showing what % of streams came from paid vs ad-supported is fine too. like in my system an album that accumulated 400 million streams but 60% came from ad-supported streams would rank lower than an album that accumulated 350 million streams but 70% came from paid streams. that's how they do the streaming songs chart.

at the same time if that's too confusing and it makes more sense to do a SEA chart then i wouldn't be opposed to it

Agreed

People only bundled cds so they can make more of an impact on BB200 and Hot100, it's clearly a dying format that labels only care about to prop up the numbers
If streams were weighted more, how they should be, the bundling craze wouldn't have happened

sea makes the most sense but i still dont see the point in not combining with physicals/digital/track equivalents etc.

cole for example did what like 35k in non streaming units? why not count that?

thats still not a reason for digital and physicals not to count especially now since bundles dont count

actually they should stop telling us how many streams or sales anything got so fandoms can have these debates over who makes the better music instead

dont look

Yh I agree

I've always had a different perspective...

Imagine someone like 50 cent or T.I

In their PRIME

but instead of being mad HOT in 2000s they was JUST AS hot now, they'd be MASSIVE

Songs would have billions of views, instead you have some songs with went top 40 hot 100 that can have only a few million views on YouTube