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  • Aug 3, 2020

    I mean obviously

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    mr ramrod

    none are doing better than party in terms of sales or streams

    Okay but Dreamville is still doing better than OVO

  • sabadabadoo 🧔🏻
    Aug 3, 2020
    NiceLikeChrist

    We know. Neither was Kendrick. And Cole was never even in the same league as Kendrick.

    Goes to show how far the gap is between Drake and Cole.

    The “big 3” was always a lie

    the real big 3 has always been Drake, Kendrick, Future. Cole was always just Kendrick lite

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    You are welcome

    Maybe J. Cole could do decent numbers for a few albums and somehow managed to build a fan base, but he was never even close to Drake in hindsight.

    Had not even half the influence, Dreamville beyond irrelevant, OVO is pretty irrelevant but you can't deny the actual talent and diversity of a roster Drizzy Drake was able to assemble meanwhile Dreamville is just weed carrier group v. 234123. OVO had PND, DVSN, Roy Woods, Majid Jordan, etc. Artists with DISTINCT sounds and talents.

    I mean you have to just look at how Drake ended his album NWTS in 2013 then look at how J. Cole ended his "best album" 2014 FHD

    Good God Almighty—like back in the old days...
    You know, years ago they had the A&R men to tell you what to play, how to play it and you know whether it's disco and rock but we just went in the studio and we did it. We had the champagne in the studio, of course—compliments of the company—and we just laid back and did it. So we hope you enjoy listening to this album half as much as we enjoyed playing it for you. Because we had a ball. Only real music is gonna last—all the other bullshit is here today and gone tomorrow...

    ^^^
    The reason why NWTS is a true classic, just having on the back of the album like that

    And then J Cole sticks this on the back of 2014 FHD:

    Yeah nigga, Forest Hills Drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. We made it, baby! As we speak the last sample just cleared. Thank you to whoever in Japan, just cleared that s***. Turn my vocal up and turn the headphones down a little bit. I gotta do my thank you's man. I didn't have enough time to turn in my thank you's for the artwork, so f*** it. I'ma do it right now...

    This is the credits. This is roll credits nigga, if you don't wanna sit through the credits get your ass up and walk out the movie theatre. First and foremost my entire Dreamville team, thank you, man. Before that I'm buggin, thank you, God! Oh my God. Everything happened too perfectly and in line—this whole thing.

    Thank you, God. Thank my Dreamville family. Mez who f***in' asleep right now, that nigga ain't even recording this thing right now. Nigga's been working hard man, Mez I'm proud as f*** of you man, for real you killed this s***. Ib what up. El Presidente what up! We killed this s*** nigga, we killed this s*** nigga! I don't give a f*** if we sell 3 copies nigga, we killed this s*** nigga!

    You see that? One reads like a true piece of artistry, a gentlemen showing his talent and skill, the other reads like some dude in high school who just finished making a mixtape in his closet

  • Aug 3, 2020

    J Cole has the voice tone of someone who feels like they are always talking some genius s***

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    KOLLAPS

    Okay but Dreamville is still doing better than OVO

    Not commercially or critically, lmao.

  • The truth of the matter is that there's never been a "big 3."

    Drake was always in a league of his own in terms of success, dominance and influence.

    Kendrick and Cole were always beneath him in that regard.

  • Aug 3, 2020
    NiceLikeChrist

    We know. Neither was Kendrick. And Cole was never even in the same league as Kendrick.

    Goes to show how far the gap is between Drake and Cole.

    The “big 3” was always a lie

    Kendrick and Drake are both GOAT. I always saw Cole as hitting that spot for people that thought they were too “cool” or “hard” for Drake or thought Kendrick was too “wordy” or “weird”

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    thegreatdivine

    Not commercially or critically, lmao.

    Bruh I’m way too tired to pull up each set of numbers from each artist from both rosters.

    If you wanna believe that all them OVO niggas besides PND (who also isn’t hitting like he used to) are more relevant than Dreamville then you keep being a Drake stan pretending that he’s actually a successful entrepreneur

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    NiceLikeChrist

    We know. Neither was Kendrick. And Cole was never even in the same league as Kendrick.

    Goes to show how far the gap is between Drake and Cole.

    The “big 3” was always a lie

    Are you implying that Drake is better than Kendrick?

  • Aug 3, 2020

    J Cole was never top 3
    never

  • KOLLAPS

    Are you implying that Drake is better than Kendrick?

    he is but that wasn't what I was implying

    just that the level of stardom between the 3 was never really comparable or close

  • Aug 3, 2020
    Mmm Hmm

    Cole was in the big 3
    He just fizzled out the fastest

    J cole He was basically Bleach
    Drake - Naruto
    And Kendrick was One Piece

    Iykyk

    damn, this might be the most accurate comparison I've ever seen

  • Aug 3, 2020
    Stan Smith

    you realize half the content is actually just quoted lyrics from a J Cole album right

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    Pinhead

    you didn’t need an essay to state the obvious

    the essay in OP is J. Cole's essay

    maybe your brain hasn't fully developed skimming abilities yet

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    You are welcome

    the essay in OP is J. Cole's essay

    maybe your brain hasn't fully developed skimming abilities yet

    doesn’t matter who’s essay it is,

    you still posted one to make your point

    unnecessary

  • Aug 3, 2020
    Pinhead

    doesn’t matter who’s essay it is,

    you still posted one to make your point

    unnecessary

    J Cole lyrics read like an essay to you

    no wonder J Cole sucks

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    I would say that J Cole and Drake weren’t as far apart in the beginning of their careers as you’d believe. Drake was always bigger but it wasn’t a blowout by any margin. These days that’s a different story but Drake is one of the biggest hip hop acts of all time so that’s not a knock on Cole

  • Aug 3, 2020

    Ya’ll gon have to wear some clown shoes with these opinions, sheesh.

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    Maga Law

    Explain?

    Cole has been pure rap for 99%of his career

    Same with Kendrick

    Too bad they don’t try to sell to teenage girls

    The fact that yall try to correlate drake not making pure rap music to making music for teenage girls is beyond me
    You know adults listen to R&b and pop right?

  • Aug 3, 2020
    KOLLAPS

    Bruh I’m way too tired to pull up each set of numbers from each artist from both rosters.

    If you wanna believe that all them OVO niggas besides PND (who also isn’t hitting like he used to) are more relevant than Dreamville then you keep being a Drake stan pretending that he’s actually a successful entrepreneur

    Calls a man with a 150m net worth not a successful entrepreneur
    Might be the most ironic post I’ve seen in a minute

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    Jbreezyondeck

    I would say that J Cole and Drake weren’t as far apart in the beginning of their careers as you’d believe. Drake was always bigger but it wasn’t a blowout by any margin. These days that’s a different story but Drake is one of the biggest hip hop acts of all time so that’s not a knock on Cole

    Huh? Drake did 447K with his debut album that dropped in 2010. Cole didn't cross the 400K mark until 2016 with 4YEO.

    Drake took Cole on an arena tour in 2012. Cole didn't book an arena tour for himself until 2017.

    Drake was scoring top 10 hits like crazy from 2009, starting with Best I Ever Had. Cole didn't score his first top 10 hit until 2017.

    Cole has done at least 400K in a week once. Drake has done it 7 times.

    It's not close.

    Drake was always bigger than Cole and it's never ever been close.

  • KOLLAPS

    Bruh I’m way too tired to pull up each set of numbers from each artist from both rosters.

    If you wanna believe that all them OVO niggas besides PND (who also isn’t hitting like he used to) are more relevant than Dreamville then you keep being a Drake stan pretending that he’s actually a successful entrepreneur

    You must be confused. Drake is at least 3 times richer than Cole. OVO are richer than Dreamville acts. They've gone on bigger tours. They're more successful commercially (even though it's not exactly a big gap).

    You can't pull up any numbers because OVO artists beat Dreamville artists in the numbers game, no discussion.

  • Aug 3, 2020
    thegreatdivine

    Huh? Drake did 447K with his debut album that dropped in 2010. Cole didn't cross the 400K mark until 2016 with 4YEO.

    Drake took Cole on an arena tour in 2012. Cole didn't book an arena tour for himself until 2017.

    Drake was scoring top 10 hits like crazy from 2009, starting with Best I Ever Had. Cole didn't score his first top 10 hit until 2017.

    Cole has done at least 400K in a week once. Drake has done it 7 times.

    It's not close.

    Drake was always bigger than Cole and it's never ever been close.

    My argument wasn’t saying they were neck and neck but back in 2010-2011 before we had the gift of hindsight when their debuts dropped I don’t think it was out of the realm to say that they were the two of the hottest new acts buzzing. I don’t recall anyone saying the gap was astronomical back then between the two. You’re right though there was a clear metric difference between them but over 200k for a first week isn’t bad either imo

  • Aug 3, 2020
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    Htownwolf

    The fact that yall try to correlate drake not making pure rap music to making music for teenage girls is beyond me
    You know adults listen to R&b and pop right?

    I didn’t say Drake didn’t make pure rap

    I said Cole has been 99% pure rap

    Drake has pandered with his music for sales

    That’s facts