damn this thread still going? KTT is not the place for this discussion

Because if we can secure honesty from a person than there's no need for a jail. Just rehabilitation facilities. If we're able to get honesty from a person that this is what they do.

Then jail and tehab facilities until they're truly honest. . .

being in jail isn't going to make them more honest lol

a few people have contributed some useful posts but yes for the most part i got the responses i expected.

Not what I'm saying at all.

Im saying beginning honest about the propensity to commit more crimes.

im unsure about your position then

your saying we need to have jail and rehab facilities?

Exactly

that'd be unnecessary tho. more expensive, superfluous in what it entails etc.,

ironic coming from somebody like you

jail really isn’t how you described lmao. They have education programs, commissary, rehabilitation, medical, rec time to play sports. They aren’t just locked behind bars all day and moving bricks lol. It’s pretty fair imo.

im so sorry that youre so misinformed about the conditions inside our jails.

Australia

Not misinformed at all, I’m just saying I’m not sure there would be a better option. You're gonna get the same effect, putting a bunch of mentally unstable people in the same facility. The only difference between a “rehab facility” and a jail is the looks. You’re gonna get the same amount of corruption.

Uhm no

I disagree with the very emotional and low iq responses that most advocates of punitive justice will put forward, but I dont really think mass rehabilitation is possible simply on a resource basis and opportunity cost a***ysis.

Very few countries have the resources to commit to such a concept. Being able to spend billions on rehabilitating murderers and rapists (I don't deny that its possible unlike the people in this thread) is something that only the richest countries will ever have the opportunity to do. Most countries have far more important issues to deal with. Would you rather spend money on possibly rehabilitating a murderer back into civil society when you could just lock him up for life, or would you rather spend that money on more pressing needs such as healthcare or food? Most countries will never have the political will to spend money on hiring psychiatrists, providing amenities and recreation to prisoners, not out of hatred for criminals, but out of necessity. The benefits of spending an extra billion on infrastructure or social welfare will always far surpass the benefit of rehabilitive care for prisoners. We dont live in fully automated luxury communism yet.

Do you really think your rehabilitation centres, outside of the richest countries, would look anything different to existing jails? Why is it that only the most developed nations are capable of providing rehabilitative care instead of punitive justice (eg Norway)? As a socialist, here's an example closer to heart: were Soviet gulags terrible places because they were purposely designed that way out of evil, or was it because there were simply no resources that could be dedicated to them?

Will respond later when.on my laptop

Is it possible to rehabilitate murderers and rapists? Sure. Pedophilia is incurable but with proper therapy and self restraint they can at least never succumb to their desires.

Is it worth it? No, I don't think so. Murderers and rapists should just be put down. There are 380 million people in the USA. Nearly 7.5 billion in the world. Why waste any amount of time or resources trying to fix these type of people? It's disrespectful to the rest of us living good lives.

This thread is some pseudo intellectual horse s***

Rehab centers would be WAY too expensive, & certain criminals have zero remorse and don't give a sh!t, i could see this working for people with d*** charges but putting violent criminals into rehab is straight ridiculous

aaron rodgers says hes leaving and synop loses all brain function

i agree with op

if the only punishment for robbing a bank was rehab Im 100% robbing a bank

I feel like I agree and disagree with this. Some people are just pure evil and deserve harsh treatment. I don't think prisons should go but rather who actually goes to prison, for what, etc. A guy who committed fraud, sold d****, had d****, or any other non violent offender shouldn't be in a facility with cold blooded killers. I watched my boy bleed out in 2009. I would be sick to the stomach if the mf who killed him was getting light treatment in a rehab center. On the other hand one of my boys is doing 70 years for trying to rob 2 stores on a d*** binge. That s*** is just absolutely f***ing disgusting. He needs proper rehab, not his whole life taken from him and pushed further into d****.