complete eradication is a bit drastic but serious reform with a heightened emphasis on rehabilitation instead of punishment is needed.

let's just focus on getting rid of private prisons first.

Murder is murder... I understand 100% what you’re trying to say but murder is murder even in self defense, you just don’t go to jail for it bc someone tried to kill you first

You realize innocent people die in gang violence right?

I think those people deserve their shot at rehabilitation.

yes, unfortunately.

if im in a gang shootout and a niggas busting at me first and i kill him thats not murder, thats self defense. legally its manslaughter if anything lmao

Wym only people ppl are convinced can’t be reformed would be in there. You said eliminate all jails, every prisoner would be in there, whether people think they can be reformed or not.

And at the end of the day you’re stripping someone of their freedom, locking them in a certain location without letting them leave there. That’s literally a jail

All of that.... would basically be rehabilitation.

You: I'm against rehabilitation

Also you: I want a prison where there's no focus on punishment but rather helping repair their life and setting them up for actual change afterwards.

The OP was basically saying all of this. Y'all chose to point out small flaws and run with it though. Obviously a serial killer would not just go and be released 1 week later. There would likely still be a lifetime sentencing and if they were released, a large change/monitoring to their life afterwards compared to a regular offender.

but think about what conditions would arise for someone to shoot at you first anyway

we have to move to eliminate those conditions in conjunction with abolishing prisons.

why.

most murders are thought out and planned in advance

if someone is twisted enough to think out and plan a childs death they do not deserve a shot

Theoretically that person could win the lottery and go live the rest of his life in paradise if he gets out. This is all while a child’s life is taken away and a family is ruined forever. How the f*** does that make sense?

Do you live/have you lived in a crime infested area? Because your thinking would be a lot different if so. And you’d know it’s not black and white

y'all don't have any sympathy for murders or rapists, but they'd be the main ones in these facilities.

and yes, i didn't say their would be no consequences for taking someones life/raping them/or impeding on their freedom.

and these rehab facilities would be infinitely more free than jails.

we're also going to abolish the lottery.

but again, youre dealing with extremes.

but those are completely different.

not all gang members are people who have been incarcerated before

by your system someone who willingly joined a gang to kill people could do that and face pretty much no consequences

Why? because theyre a human

Completely getting rid of jails would just be foolish, reduce them sure but you taking it too far op

Edit: I believe in rehabilitation and have advocated for it before but I don’t think it should be the only form of “punishment”

You are reading what you want to read to justify the bs in op

i mean theyd be removed from the general population for a time. but like i said we're trying to eliminate the material conditions that lead to that as well.

so are child rapists.

if you saw a grown man raping your young daughter, taking her innocence away from her and traumatizing her for life, would you think he deserves another chance?

for non-violet offenders sure (nobody dealing pot should ever get jail time) but serious offenders (murderers/pedos) deserve to suffer

They quite literally wouldn’t be based on the scenario YOU made up. Majority of prisoners are due to non violent crimes. The main ones in these facilities wouldn’t be murderers and rapists, it would be d*** offenders.

Don't ask me a question then assume the answer lol.

how are you gonna tell me who would be in my rehab facilities